Sport washing

Cityfan1977

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Ok you can not go on Twitter these days with out reading something about our human rights abusing owners.
What we can not deny is that UAE have poor human rights record. But City is own by a company but now everybody are just saying that we are owned by a state, but lets for argument say that City is lying about our ownership.
Why is then UAE buying City and whats the point owning a football team. Yes its Sport Washing they say its for UAE to get a better reputation world wide .

How is that going then ? Before 2008 then I did not have any knowledge of a human rights issue in UAE did you ?
It dos not make any sense. IT is a failure and the would have sold the club by now because it has people talking badly about them simply because the owned City.

And why on earth would they buy City, small global fan group compere to Liverpool and United.
Where is all the propaganda about City then ? only propaganda is about liverpool and United these days.
Where is our own TV station , where is our own newspaper ?

That is why I belief that UAE has nothing to do about City and it will be cleared very soon.
Am I way off here or ?
 
Your opening line: "...go on twitter...". Why the f**k would you do that? Twitter (and social media in general- certainly in respect of football) is a cesspit of the worst that humanity has to offer. It's (almost) wall to wall hatred, bitterness, anger and unfettered callousness, bordering on evil. It's mostly populated (in terms of the % of tweets) by people not clever enough to understand where they have got it wrong; unable (or unwilling) to express their feelings in any other way than malicious spitefulness; consumed by their inability to affect the events they take so much to heart; or, sometimes, intelligent and possibly erudite seemingly normal people who have succumbed to the temptation of ego massaging conceited, self-important distain. Or, in short, it's full of c***s. The fact that there is no accountability allows them to run off at the mouth with anything and everything that feeds the beast within. There is almost no control or restraint. And, of course, the more bitter they are, the more they feel the need to give the world the benefit of their 'opinion'. You have no hope of explaining, because they DON'T WANT an answer that doesn't suit them.
As for the whole of the rest of your post, just try looking up (on a reliable, competent website) who has the worst human rights record. You might find it interesting to compare the UAE to the UK and USA.
I saw a post on BM somewhere recently quoting a Chelsea fan (I think?) who said something like "you're not interested in human rights, you're like one of those racists who finds out there are potential issues with halal food and suddenly realises they've been a lifelong animal rights supporter". (The original was better!).

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Ok you can not go on Twitter these days with out reading something about our human rights abusing owners.
What we can not deny is that UAE have poor human rights record. But City is own by a company but now everybody are just saying that we are owned by a state, but lets for argument say that City is lying about our ownership.
Why is then UAE buying City and whats the point owning a football team. Yes its Sport Washing they say its for UAE to get a better reputation world wide .

How is that going then ? Before 2008 then I did not have any knowledge of a human rights issue in UAE did you ?
It dos not make any sense. IT is a failure and the would have sold the club by now because it has people talking badly about them simply because the owned City.

And why on earth would they buy City, small global fan group compere to Liverpool and United.
Where is all the propaganda about City then ? only propaganda is about liverpool and United these days.
Where is our own TV station , where is our own newspaper ?

That is why I belief that UAE has nothing to do about City and it will be cleared very soon.
Am I way off here or ?

From memory Etihad were formed in the early/mid 00's (ish). They tried to sponsor the Rags in around '06 but were knocked back by the Glazers. I think the Americans passed a comment or I remember reading something that pissed off Etihad. Whether that was the catalyst for the purchase of City, I don't know.

In addition, let's not forget, Thaksin Shinawatra tried to buy Liverpool in around 2004. As I remind my chums on a regular basis, maybe if they'd allowed TS to purchase the club, they may have had 4 Premier League titles by now. But of course Liverpool are holier than thou.
 
Social media and reality TV have given society’s idiots a voice.

Just because there are loads of these idiots all over the shop online or on tele these days, it doesn’t mean their opinions should be given any credibility.

They are still idiots with idiotic views and should be ignored!

Years ago society would say; “don’t listen to that ****, he’s a fucking idiot” and the idiots would sit in the corner of their pub on their own being ignored or just not bother going out because they know nobody would listen to them.

Nowadays the idiots from all around the world can converse with each other and they all think their idiocy is normal because that’s all they know. They venture onto social media comments sections where they feel a sense of importance because 653 other idiots from around the world will ‘like’ some idiotic thing they say.

The media pander to these idiots as well because they know these are the fools who will give them their ‘clicks’ therefore they put out stories that these idiots will lap up and it’s a money spinner.
 
It is the hallmark of a truly moronic journalist and gets to the crux of City's/public's frustration at the woeful standard of reporting in this country.

Maybe Sheikh Mansour bought City because he realised he could invest £1.3 Billion and a few years down the line, we would be worth double that (which seems to be the case according to a lot of financial publications and can be extrapolated from the sale of CFG shares)? Or maybe, it's a combination of that, and the fact that he's actually a football fan like a lot of other owners and wanted to indulge his interest by investing in a football club?

Either way, there is no way somebody as intelligent and astute as him would invest in City in an attempt to launder the reputation of an obscure nation with a middle of the road (in global terms) human rights record when the obvious result is that some of its more archaic laws would be under more scrutiny and criticism than ever.
 
Playing devil's advocate i've often wondered why no-one (and especially journalists) considers looking at the situation from the flip side.

i don't think i ever seen a case of our owner's trying to use the club as a vehicle to promote middle eastern philosophies, religion, culture or practices, or curtail anything that runs contrary to them (i.e. stop anyone at the club taking part in or promoting LGBT rights events etc).

So with a view to the above could it be that our owners, see other benefits to owning City other than the supposed PR & so called 'sports-washing'?

From what i've seen most of the Abu Dhabi 'elite' are educated in the West, and the Emirate seems to have a better tolerance against non middle eastern practises & culture (alcohol, sex outside marriage, same-sex relationships etc) than others in that region.

If you think back, less than 100 years ago, most of the inhabitants of that region were living in tents and under a regime that was practically medieval.
Change always takes time, but when you look how far that region has developed in the last 30-40 years it's quite staggering, especially when you consider that 'paragons of virtue' like the UK were chemically castrating one of their greatest intellectuals 65 years ago, and that many gay rights were only enshrined in law in the last 10 years or so.

So could our owners be actually using the club as a vehicle to expose more 'Western' values to their own countrymen so that they become more normalised, tolerated and then accepted in that region? and so that the required change towards western thinking happens more easily & quickly.

Seems like a win-win scenario on all accounts for them in my view.
 
Go on Manchester Instagram. There are 2 seperates accounts. They are full of the regular stuff, but if you keep on scrolling down the page, there are some absolute cracking picture’s of the parade, that you won’t find elsewhere. Social media isn’t always bad.
 
I don’t here City being portrayed as anything other than Manchester City by our owners. They are completely in the background and behind the scenes, running the business very well.
I’ve not heard them reference UAE with City other than via Etihad link, so would agree with others, if they’re trying to sporteash they are doing a pretty poor job of it.
 
Sportswashing is another nonsense concept invented by Amnesty International or some such organisation. Organisations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Oxfam and Western charities are regarded as liberal and somewhat radical in the Western world. They are supposed to represent people with a conscience but they are the modern-day equivalent of the missionaries of the Victorian world. They want to region to adopt Western civilised values failing to understand the relationship between East and West which is oppressive and exploitative. In practise all they do is justify militarism. "We must send our army in to help the people". Seen it so many times. The majority are well-meaning people but they do not understand. You can't have political freedoms without economic freedom. Great Britain's modern day democracy didn't start out as a modern-day democracy did it. It started out as a monarchy, conquering the world, and the world developed at separate rates. All this stands behind international politics today and the end product is you have 'advanced nations' and those playing catch-up.

Where are these campaigns against Sportswashing when the England national team plays, or the Stars and Stripes booms out before some international sporting event? You find that sportswashing only targets third world countries, and minor nations.
 
Some very good posts in this conversation. CityFan1977 makes the good point that if ADUG's use of Manchester City as a vehicle for 'sportswashing', i.e. hiding their human rights record behind a successful football club, then they are making a pretty crap job of it! The high profile of the club now is only highlighting their human rights record. Clearly that is not what they want, and so is highly unlikely to be what they intended.

The only positive exposure that they get from the club is advertising of their national airline on the shirts and stadium name, and the free tourist advertising on match-day ("visit Abu Dhabi" etc). I read an interesting article over 10 years ago now describing how the Arab states are looking how to diverge their economies, preparing for the day when the oil runs out. If they did nothing then when the last drop goes up the pipe they would in for a catastrophic economic cliff-fall. We have seen how next-door in Dubai they have very successfully improved their tourist economy - it is now a major stop-over point for flights, and hosts many major sports events. This is what Abu Dhabi are also now trying to achieve, and a good vehicle for that is to have a highly successful and visible football club acting almost as an ambassador for that aim. It's also why they are buying football clubs all over the world, not just in England. The idea that these clubs can be used as feeders may also be intentional, but is less important, and in practice is unlikely to achieve much, as we have seen, with the only current example being Aaron Mooy!

Basically, it's got nothing to do with 'sportswashing'.
 
Some very good posts in this conversation. CityFan1977 makes the good point that if ADUG's use of Manchester City as a vehicle for 'sportswashing', i.e. hiding their human rights record behind a successful football club, then they are making a pretty crap job of it! The high profile of the club now is only highlighting their human rights record. Clearly that is not what they want, and so is highly unlikely to be what they intended.

The only positive exposure that they get from the club is advertising of their national airline on the shirts and stadium name, and the free tourist advertising on match-day ("visit Abu Dhabi" etc). I read an interesting article over 10 years ago now describing how the Arab states are looking how to diverge their economies, preparing for the day when the oil runs out. If they did nothing then when the last drop goes up the pipe they would in for a catastrophic economic cliff-fall. We have seen how next-door in Dubai they have very successfully improved their tourist economy - it is now a major stop-over point for flights, and hosts many major sports events. This is what Abu Dhabi are also now trying to achieve, and a good vehicle for that is to have a highly successful and visible football club acting almost as an ambassador for that aim. It's also why they are buying football clubs all over the world, not just in England. The idea that these clubs can be used as feeders may also be intentional, but is less important, and in practice is unlikely to achieve much, as we have seen, with the only current example being Aaron Mooy!

Basically, it's got nothing to do with 'sportswashing'.
It's Sheikh Mansour's investment. I don't think it's part of any strategic thinking by the UAE state. He's using people close to him who are advisers to the Executive Council of the UAE but I don't think City are a UAE project. They are a Sheikh Mansour project in the same way that football clubs all over the world are the property of billionaires. Other UAE Sheikhs have tried to buy Premier League clubs, most notably Liverpool.

Oil is still 46% of UAE GDP by the way (https://www.thenational.ae/business/economy/uae-economy-to-outperform-middle-east-in-2019-1.850256)

Still they are way down the list of oil-producers. The US is the biggest oil- producing nation on the planet producing 15 M bpd oil. The UAE 4m.
 
Sportswashing is another nonsense concept invented by Amnesty International or some such organisation. Organisations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, Oxfam and Western charities are regarded as liberal and somewhat radical in the Western world. They are supposed to represent people with a conscience but they are the modern-day equivalent of the missionaries of the Victorian world. They want to region to adopt Western civilised values failing to understand the relationship between East and West which is oppressive and exploitative. In practise all they do is justify militarism. "We must send our army in to help the people". Seen it so many times. The majority are well-meaning people but they do not understand. You can't have political freedoms without economic freedom. Great Britain's modern day democracy didn't start out as a modern-day democracy did it. It started out as a monarchy, conquering the world, and the world developed at separate rates. All this stands behind international politics today and the end product is you have 'advanced nations' and those playing catch-up.

Where are these campaigns against Sportswashing when the England national team plays, or the Stars and Stripes booms out before some international sporting event? You find that sportswashing only targets third world countries, and minor nations.
Amnesty Interntional and Human Rights Watch seem to be much more critical of the UK and the USA for supplying weapons which are being used in the Yemen civil war. I realise UAE is part of the coalition but, apart from some criticism of the conditions of migrant workers (which is a common problem across the world) I can find little criticism of Abu Dhabi. Where is all the evidence of human rights abuses? According to a family member who has worked extensively in the Gulf for decades Abu Dhabi is one of the most liberal places in the entire region. There are lots of horror stories from Saudi but very little about Abu Dhabi. I am not an expert in politics but the rebels in Yemen are backed by Iran which has a horrific reputation. Why is Abu Dhabi singled out by some sections of the UK press?
 
Amnesty Interntional and Human Rights Watch seem to be much more critical of the UK and the USA for supplying weapons which are being used in the Yemen civil war. I realise UAE is part of the coalition but, apart from some criticism of the conditions of migrant workers (which is a common problem across the world) I can find little criticism of Abu Dhabi. Where is all the evidence of human rights abuses? According to a family member who has worked extensively in the Gulf for decades Abu Dhabi is one of the most liberal places in the entire region. There are lots of horror stories from Saudi but very little about Abu Dhabi. I am not an expert in politics but the rebels in Yemen are backed by Iran which has a horrific reputation. Why is Abu Dhabi singled out by some sections of the UK press?
Maybe Iran supports Liverpool.
 
Amnesty Interntional and Human Rights Watch seem to be much more critical of the UK and the USA for supplying weapons which are being used in the Yemen civil war. I realise UAE is part of the coalition but, apart from some criticism of the conditions of migrant workers (which is a common problem across the world) I can find little criticism of Abu Dhabi. Where is all the evidence of human rights abuses? According to a family member who has worked extensively in the Gulf for decades Abu Dhabi is one of the most liberal places in the entire region. There are lots of horror stories from Saudi but very little about Abu Dhabi. I am not an expert in politics but the rebels in Yemen are backed by Iran which has a horrific reputation. Why is Abu Dhabi singled out by some sections of the UK press?
Because our owner has Brown skin, is an Arab and come from the Middle East. It is pure racism - end off.
 
If we're going to start inventing pejorative phrases, how about media "image-washing".

That's taking medium sized clubs whose fans murder innocent football-goers from opposition teams thus getting their competitors banned from getting the riches they have had the benefit of, and inventing myths like "most knowledgeable supporters", "European Royalty" "famous nights under the lights" etc ad nauseam and re-packaging them as guardians of the game.
 
Was quite a good letter published in football365's mailbox the other day from a Luton fan

But everyone is just as bad as each other
Disclaimer: I am a Luton Town fan who backed no horse in the title race between City and Liverpool.

It is getting really tiring hearing ignorant generalisations in the mailbox about the owners of Man City. People write in to this website almost every day from positions of ignorance, assuming they understand the realities and political intricacies of life and policy in The UAE. Firstly, Abu Dhabi, despite being the seat of the UAE government, is an Emirate that is politically distinct from the other 6 Arab Emirates; therefore, the actions of the Abu Dhabi royal family is distinct from the UAE as a whole, just in the same way that England and London have policies and practises that differ entirely to those in, say, Blythe in Scotland. Consequently, the Man City owners are not a vanity project for an entire country, as frequently espoused on these pages, but are representative of one royal family in one emirate. In reality, the Abu Dhabi group, and its business interests are in direct competition with groups from neighbouring Emirates e.g. Etihad vs Emirates (airlines) and Etisalat vs DU (mobile networks).

Furthermore, the frequent assertions about the treatment of homosexuals in The UAE smacks of the kind of imperialist head burying that Nigel Pearson would be proud of. In our ‘progressive’ society in the UK, same sex marriage has been legalised for four and a half years, but homosexuality has been ‘tolerated’ for much longer; the UAE is still in the ‘tolerated’ phase. UK Legislation banning gay people from joining the army was only formally repealed in 2016. A royal pardon for Alan Turing being chemically castrated for homosexuality was only forthcoming in 2013. Britain has literally just made things adequate for gay people, and yet we have mailers writing in to decry the circumstances surrounding homosexuality in the UAE that they know nothing about, most probably lumping ‘them lot that are all the same’ in together and assuming that Brunei and Dubai are the same place. They are expecting the same level of traction and rate of change in a 2nd world nation, that operates Sharia law, as they have had in Britain (which itself has been glacial in the rapidity of its changes). The reality in the UAE is that homosexuality, whilst illegal, is tolerated and accepted in a live-and-let-live fashion, in much the same way as it had been in Britain until very recent legal changes. I say this as someone who lived with three different gay housemates in the UAE in the last 10 years, none of whom ever felt persecuted or unable to live the way they wanted to. Rates of homosexuality amongst young, unmarried Arab men are high, and tolerated, though there is still the cultural expectation of a heterosexual marriage – not really all that different to most countries where legal progress is not always reflected by the cultural zeitgeist.

Given that the pope condemned the burgeoning legal rights of homosexuals in the UK upon his visit to Britain in 2010, it is not hard to see, in a country underpinned by its religious theology, why the rapidity of change has been slower in the Gulf states than in the UK and Europe. And, given the opprobrium and hostility that my sister has faced as an openly gay woman whilst outside of cosmopolitan city centres in the UK, the legal rights of gays in the UK are masks to deeply-rooted prejudices based on sexuality in large swathes of people in the country. Hatred and intolerance for gays is present in the UK, just as it is in the Gulf states. Legal alterations represent progression, but not ultimate solutions to the cancer of homophobia. It will take time for the same legal changes to become manifest in the Gulf, just as equal-rights bills for women have taken longer, but are now in existence in a growing number of Gulf states, including the UAE. I say this not to excuse the absence of progressive legislation for gays in the UAE, rather to point out the hypocrisy of the soapbox criers in the mailbox who have total misguided faith in their moral authority and superiority because they are British (full disclosure – I am too).

As for the UAE’s involvement in Yemen, the UK are just as culpable as any of the countries involved in the war, and arguably have the greater power to stop hostilities. Every airstrike, tank or sophisticated military weapon in the hands of a Saudi or UAE soldier was provided to them by UK arms dealers, sanctioned by the British government, and increasingly aggressive foreign policies in the Arabian Gulf have occurred thanks to the emboldening of the ruling families, particularly in Saudi, thanks to political partnership with our country and the US (amongst others). We have either backed, directly participated or turned blind eyes to almost every military incursion in the Gulf and Middle East for the last thirty years. It was us and the US who stuck Saddam Hussein on the throne, only to return and depose him, send Iraq into political disarray and create the power vacuum that allowed for the disease of ISIS to fester. We have no moral authority to criticise anybody for inhumane military incursions; our, and our American cousins’, foreign policy is responsible for more unnecessary bloodshed than any Middle-Eastern regime. Go to Kurdhistan, Kabul, Damascus, Palestine or Basra and ask the citizens there about the moral authority of the British. Again, I say this not to condone what the UAE and Saudi are doing, but to reassert that the UK has no moral highground from which to judge when it comes to unethical military intervention; it is a shame that we all share.

So stop throwing ‘them lot over there’ style comments out about people and governments that you know nothing about, and check your own history before falsely asserting your own entitled sense of moral superiority. The world is, tragically, an unethical sh*thole and pretty much all of us are complicit in some sort of atrocity, from climate change to unwittingly buying products that fund zionist extremists. Don’t pretend you are any different.
Jurgen Guardiola
 

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