Spurs’ new stadium

This is Spurs and with the added bonus of having Engerlands poster boy will be allowed to do what they want without sanction. They are gerrymandering the fixture lists.

Yep. My dislike of Spurs began when their points deduction and expulsion from the FA Cup for financial irregularities were rescinded back in the early 90s.

Funnily enough provincial Swindon's appeal against relegation (!) for financial irregularities at about the same time was rejected...
 
He’s a spuds fan mate. Chatting shit also as usual because there’s no way it’ll be ready in 2 months!

Why do you believe that?

Sure, cosmetically, there is still quite a bit to do. But functionally, the stadium would have been usable by mid September but for the issue with critical safety systems identified by the first test event. The interior bowl is nigh on complete. Likewise the roof. I've seen comments to the effect that the seats aren't all in and the pitch hasn't even been laid yet. Well, both those jobs can be done in a matter of days. And there are still 4.5 weeks until the Liverpool game. If you've ever followed a construction project closely, you'll know that, more often than not, the building looks far from ready until the final few days. Check out pictures of Atletico's Wanda Metropolitano stadium at the same stage of construction last year. You'd have said exactly the same about that.....that there's no way it would be ready for a mid September opening. But it was. So would new WHL have been but for the aforementioned systems failure.

Must be a public sector contract. The private sector would never make a fuck up of such proportions, surely?

A huge, complex construction project on a tight schedule overrunning by a couple of months is most definitely not a fuck up of major proportions.
 
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The one thing that's being overlooked here is that spuds with the help of the premier league, have broken the rules of the premier league from the start! They are now proposing a third home ground in a season when the rules say your only allowed one , but it's ok cos spuds have bunged cash at Wembley and the premier league so that negates the rules set out and agreed by all clubs . Also the Wembley extension was agreed in private between spuds and Wembley and the premier league . There is only one way out of this spuds need to forfeit the game/games and the points, they knew the rules when they moved out of WHL but because money talks the fundamental rules that govern all clubs are conveniently forgotten .

Nope. There is no hard and fast rule which says that a club cannot play home games at more than one stadium during a single season. The rule, such as it is, is designed only to prevent clubs from cherry picking games to play in a bigger stadium. When there is a legitimate reason, and if the other clubs agree (as they did in this instance), a club can use more than one home stadium during a season.
 
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Why do you believe that?

Sure, cosmetically, there is still quite a bit to do. But functionally, the stadium would have been usable by mid September but for the issue with critical safety systems identified by the first test event. The interior bowl is nigh on complete. Likewise the roof. I've seen comments to the effect that the seats aren't all in and the pitch hasn't even been laid yet. Well, both those jobs can be done in a matter of days. And there are still 4.5 weeks until the Liverpool game. If you've ever followed a construction project closely, you'll know that, more often than not, the building looks far from finished until the final few days. Check out pictures of Atletico's Wanda Metropolitano stadium at the same stage of construction last year. You'd have said exactly the same about that.....that there's no way it would be ready for a mid September opening. But it was. So would new WHL have been but for the aforementioned systems failure.



A huge, complex construction project on a tight schedule overrunning by a couple of months is most definitely not a fuck up of major proportions.
Well it is if it affects fixtures, supporters and the competition.
 
If.

Hasn't happened yet.
Without looking in the Premier League handbook, a basic precondition for entry must be that you have the facilities in place for entry into the competition. If they are ready for the scheduled games fine, well done, we'll all marvel at what I am sure will be a beautiful stadium. If not, prepare to get hammered.

I think playing some of your league games at Wembley and others at WHL puts the integrity of the competition in some doubt. Different situation for different teams.

I think the Premier League have to give very serious consideration about allowing you to compete in the league. How else do they ensure a level playing field? You can't play games against opponents at different grounds in my opinion. I don't care what the rules say. Everyone should compete on a level playing field and if you are changing your venue it destroys that. The Premier League must ensure that the title winners and relegated clubs, Champions League qualifiers have competed on an equal footing.
 
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He’s a spuds fan mate. Chatting shit also as usual because there’s no way it’ll be ready in 2 months!

JimB is a good poster mate and obviously very knowledgeable about the goings-on at Spurs. Like any fan, he'll defend his club if he sees fit and there's nothing wrong with that.

However, I do think it was always going to be a very optimistic ask to get the stadium ready in time and I can't help but think that Levy and Spurs saw this coming a while ago. For me, when they negotiated to play all their home games at Wembley last season they'd have been better off extending that agreement to this season too.

It's a proper pisser for any of our fans who have already booked travel/accomodation for the game in October and it gets shifted. If it stays on the Sunday and is played somewhere in London then it's not such an issue but if they change the date or move it our place then all fans who have forked out for non-refundable travel/accomodation costs should be reimbursed.
 
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Incidently as Spurs have never had a safety certificate for the stadium a "class action" to reclaim money lost due to train ticket and hotel bookings is a slam dunk - especially as the fixture date had been properly published - i.e.rearranged for TV - the sign that the match will actually take place.
(Note: There is in reality no such thing as a "class action" in the UK - though there are Group Litigation orders that apply here.)
People booking train tickets and hotels are independent to the game (unless it was booked as a package through an agency). Had we bought match tickets and the game gets rescheduled, we would be entitled to a refund of the match ticket if we were unable to attend the rearranged fixture, but nothing more. No tickets have been sold to City fans so Spurs owe us the square route of fuck all. If it does get postponed an apology would be nice but I haven't given up hope yet.

Most supporters have been to a game at some point which has been postponed or abandoned before so this isn't anything new. From memory home games against Sunderland and Mönchendgladbach have both been postponed shortly before kick off in recent years. I was already at the ground for both so I'd lost the price of my train ticket for one and petrol/parking for another. City weren't on the hook for that.

I remember I'd got more than half way to Portsmouth one year and that got called off. Shit happens.
 
People booking train tickets and hotels are independent to the game (unless it was booked as a package through an agency). Had we bought match tickets and the game gets rescheduled, we would be entitled to a refund of the match ticket if we were unable to attend the rearranged fixture, but nothing more. No tickets have been sold to City fans so Spurs owe us the square route of fuck all. If it does get postponed an apology would be nice but I haven't given up hope yet.

Most supporters have been to a game at some point which has been postponed or abandoned before so this isn't anything new. From memory home games against Sunderland and Mönchendgladbach have both been postponed shortly before kick off in recent years. I was already at the ground for both so I'd lost the price of my train ticket for one and petrol/parking for another. City weren't on the hook for that.

I remember I'd got more than half way to Portsmouth one year and that got called off. Shit happens.
Games getting called off due to weather isn't the same as this serinaro. These ****s would have known there's no chance of them playing at their new stadium for a good while but only now letting fans know.
 
People booking train tickets and hotels are independent to the game (unless it was booked as a package through an agency). Had we bought match tickets and the game gets rescheduled, we would be entitled to a refund of the match ticket if we were unable to attend the rearranged fixture, but nothing more. No tickets have been sold to City fans so Spurs owe us the square route of fuck all. If it does get postponed an apology would be nice but I haven't given up hope yet.

Most supporters have been to a game at some point which has been postponed or abandoned before so this isn't anything new. From memory home games against Sunderland and Mönchendgladbach have both been postponed shortly before kick off in recent years. I was already at the ground for both so I'd lost the price of my train ticket for one and petrol/parking for another. City weren't on the hook for that.

I remember I'd got more than half way to Portsmouth one year and that got called off. Shit happens.
Weather is an act of God. Announcing games at a venue that doesn't have a safety cert and then being unable to hold the games at that venue on that date is entirely Spurs' fault.
 
... A huge, complex construction project on a tight schedule overrunning by a couple of months is most definitely not a fuck up of major proportions.
I'll agree with you on that. They never finish on time. The published completion date is always the earliest possible date with no delays. As construcrion delays pretty much follow a bionomial distribution they should be forced by law to pick the bionomial distribution upper quartile point as the estinated completion date.
 
These are the Premier League rules relevant to Spurs ground. I leave you to interpret them. Relegation, Champions League qualification etc rests on equality of competition. I don't see how the Premier League can allow Spurs to play home fixtures at 2 venues during the course of a season.

Ground Registration K.5.
Each Club shall register its Stadium with the Board and must play all matches in the competitions listed in Rule L.9 for which it is the Home Club at the Stadium. No Club shall remove to another Stadium (either on a permanent or temporary basis) without first obtaining the written consent of the Board, in accordance with Rule K.6, below.

K.6. In considering whether to give any such consent, the Board shall have regard to all the circumstances of the case (including, but not limited to, the factors set out in this Rule K.6) and shall not consent unless reasonably satisfied that such consent:

K.6.1. would be consistent with the objects of the League as set out in the Memorandum;
K.6.2. would be appropriate having in mind the relationship (if any) between the locality with which by its name or otherwise the applicant Club is traditionally associated and that in which such Club proposes to establish its Stadium;
K.6.3. would not to any material extent adversely affect such Club’s Officials, Players, supporters, shareholders, sponsors and others having an interest in its activities;
K.6.4. would not have a material adverse effect on Visiting Clubs;
 
People booking train tickets and hotels are independent to the game (unless it was booked as a package through an agency). Had we bought match tickets and the game gets rescheduled, we would be entitled to a refund of the match ticket if we were unable to attend the rearranged fixture, but nothing more. No tickets have been sold to City fans so Spurs owe us the square route of fuck all. If it does get postponed an apology would be nice but I haven't given up hope yet.

Most supporters have been to a game at some point which has been postponed or abandoned before so this isn't anything new. From memory home games against Sunderland and Mönchendgladbach have both been postponed shortly before kick off in recent years. I was already at the ground for both so I'd lost the price of my train ticket for one and petrol/parking for another. City weren't on the hook for that.

I remember I'd got more than half way to Portsmouth one year and that got called off. Shit happens.

Shit does indeed happen but all 3 of those examples you have cited were down to the weather which is beyond the control of anybody. This is different in that while I accept that delays will happen when building a new stadium, there have been rumours abound for ages that it wasn't going to be ready for the grand opening on September 15th against Liverpool and sure enough, that's proven to be exactly the case. As soon as Sky announced their October picks and Spurs v City was moved to Sunday 28th October then our fans had every right to book travel and accommodation based on that, safe in the knowledge that barring a so-called "act of God" the fixture would be played on that date and at that venue.

My suspicion is that Spurs have known for a while that the ground probably wouldn't be ready in time for the Liverpool home game and have been sat on this info, yet they've waited until after the announcing of the second tranche of TV fixtures before disclosing it. Now that's fine if you support Liverpool or Cardiff because those games will still take place in London at the advertised kick-off time so fans of both those clubs won't have to alter their arrangements, but if our game doesn't go ahead in London at the advertised date and time then it will fuck it up for all those fans who have already made arrangements with regard to travel/accommodation, etc.
 
People booking train tickets and hotels are independent to the game (unless it was booked as a package through an agency). Had we bought match tickets and the game gets rescheduled, we would be entitled to a refund of the match ticket if we were unable to attend the rearranged fixture, but nothing more. No tickets have been sold to City fans so Spurs owe us the square route of fuck all. If it does get postponed an apology would be nice but I haven't given up hope yet.

Most supporters have been to a game at some point which has been postponed or abandoned before so this isn't anything new. From memory home games against Sunderland and Mönchendgladbach have both been postponed shortly before kick off in recent years. I was already at the ground for both so I'd lost the price of my train ticket for one and petrol/parking for another. City weren't on the hook for that.

I remember I'd got more than half way to Portsmouth one year and that got called off. Shit happens.
LOL, those City games were totally out of out control...... How about this scenario... We let the preparation for those two games go ahead whilst we are aware they might get cancelled. Even now Spurs just "dont know" when it will be done and that's a travesty, they cant even say when, so spurs fans saying it will be done in a couple of weeks/days just dont know either!

Poor planning, and if this was City we would be hammered by the FA imo
 
As far as I’m concerned for the integrity of the league you should have to play ALL your home games in any given season at the same stadium otherwise it’s completely unfair on the opposition. I’d rather play Spurs at Wembley than be the first team to face them at the new ground when the supporters would be on a high and likely to create a far more intimidating atmosphere, no way should we or any other team be disadvantaged by Spurs’ failings.
 
Consequential loss in this form is usually only applicable if someone knew of the problem at the time of the contract and said nothing about it. So it could be argued that Spurs did IF people have bought match tickets already. But if not, then there's no contract in place.
 
Bollocks being spouted in some quarters of Twickenham as a possible venue. Can’t do that, surely? Three different stadia in a season?
 

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