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[Stoned Rose]

Not for one minute do I think it’d have changed the result, as you could easily argue about the Trafford non-sending off being an awful mistake too, but I’ve just seen ref watch and for the first time seen the penalty not being given for VDV on Bobb as it was opposite end of the ground from where I sit. I just want to know, other than the obvious plays in blue & it’s City, why VAR did not get involved and give the decision? It’s just plain wrong and this is exactly the kind of incident that we should be kicking up a fuss about and requesting an explanation.

We’ve seen Arsenal get a pen for less contact, and ffs they were 4-0 up at the time.

It’s just not acceptable or good enough and I don’t understand why we don’t highlight these inconsistencies and call out the piss poor double standard refereeing.

A stonewall pen mate. Cant explain why nowt came of it.

 

[East Level 2]

For the life of me I couldn’t remember any other goal other than Sergio’s in that match. Funnily enough, I remember more Kompany outstripping Aubemeyang when Arsenal were on the attack at 0-0. My heart was in my mouth at the time. This morning I thought long and hard and then Kompany’s goal came to me. I’m going to get the match up later to refresh my memory. It’s funny how I seem to remember the away fixture in the next match better than the final.
I’m inclined to agree with you about fingers crossed for improvement. It’s going to be an interesting season ahead that’s for certain.

The strange thing is that you were waxing lyrical about Spanish Dave in your post and he scored one of the goals you forgot about.
Beast from the east the following Thursday. Bloody windy along Tarquin Terrace that night.

 

[Blue Hefner]

Thinking back to the starting lineup, we had lots of players with limited premier league experience. Trafford, Nico G, Marmoush, Cherki and Reijnders, that’s half the team. Also the amount of times the ball bounced and we lost out was remarkable

 

[69FACUPfinal]

A stonewall pen mate. Cant explain why nowt came of it.

I can. Sky Blue shirts, not cartel member.

 

[Marvin.]

Carragher and Henry have done an analysis of how Frank's tactics surprised Pep that they played in advance of the Newcastle v Liverpool game that was very interesting. They showed that the inability of Trafford to play short and long passes allowed Spurs to go man for man on City because they knew that Trafford could not hit Haaland as Ederson so commonly does and that he oould not make himself the extra man at the back.

I have probably not explained it very well. They used video images to help illustrate the tactics.

This is worrying because I cannot see Trafford developing quickly and if Donnarumma comes in, then he also is not going to be able to replicate Ederson. Other people have made this point about the importance of Ederson and I ignored it but perhaps it hits home more when you see a team so thoroughly beat City using tactics that are made possible because of the change in keeper.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Carragher and Henry have done an analysis of how Frank's tactics surprised Pep that they played in advance of the Newcastle v Liverpool game that was very interesting. They showed that the inability of Trafford to play short and long passes allowed Spurs to go man for man on City because they knew that Trafford could not hit Haaland as Ederson so commonly does and that he oould not make himself the extra man at the back.

I have probably not explained it very well. They used video images to help illustrate the tactics.

This is worrying because I cannot see Trafford developing quickly and if Donnarumma comes in, then he also is not going to be able to replicate Ederson. Other people have made this point about the importance of Ederson and I ignored it but perhaps it hits home more when you see a team so thoroughly beat City using tactics that are made possible because of the change in keeper.

We didn’t lose because our keeper couldn’t kick it as far as Ederson

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

We didn’t lose because our keeper couldn’t kick it as far as Ederson

Well, it was a contributing factor.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Well, it was a contributing factor.

It wasn’t.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

It wasn’t.

Well, if he’d lobbed it?

Or, what was the fault for losing?

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

Well, if he’d lobbed it?

Or, what was the fault for losing?

Ederson has conceded that goal many times. A couple against spurs in fact, who knows if he wasn’t going to do it again. We lost because we play a high line, we lost because we had new players who look disjointed at the moment. We lost because our manager couldn’t find any solutions to the problems presented. We lost because we missed a few good chances. We lost because we can’t defend

 

[burnley blue mcfc]

A stonewall pen mate. Cant explain why nowt came of it.

Total corruption mate, just like the cup final “handball” by the palace keeper, once you watch it back 10 times & still arrive at the wrong decision, shows just how much the game has gone, corrupt beyond belief

 

[Corky]

Ederson has conceded that goal many times. A couple against spurs in fact, who knows if he wasn’t going to do it again. We lost because we play a high line, we lost because we had new players who look disjointed at the moment. We lost because our manager couldn’t find any solutions to the problems presented. We lost because we missed a few good chances. We lost because we can’t defend

It took him 5 or 6 years to mess up like that.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Have we forgotten how to just shoot at goal, or has Pep trained it out of them?

I said exactly the same to a mate earlier.

I'll give Kyle his due. There were a couple of games where he got frustrated,said fuck it and he scored from shots outside the box.

I thought we were going to see more of a mix after the way we played in the CWC.

We can see it and it winds me up when there's an obvious thunderbastard and we see it passed back or to the side instead.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

Ederson has conceded that goal many times. A couple against spurs in fact, who knows if he wasn’t going to do it again. We lost because we play a high line, we lost because we had new players who look disjointed at the moment. We lost because our manager couldn’t find any solutions to the problems presented. We lost because we missed a few good chances. We lost because we can’t defend

So, we lost because we couldn’t defend as well as expected and didn’t do as well as expected in the final third?

Did you look at that team before kick off? I didn’t and just thought that we would win because Spurs had done fuck all in the market. But when you look at the huge amount of changes, the interactions with players, and the lack of pre-season, I soon realised, with the lack of our (historical) first team players, it was going to be a tough ask.

The overall outcome is subject to opinion, but the lack of cohesion, with an inclusion of Trafford in this system, obviously had an impact on the game.

 

[Marvin.]

I think it's worth watching this analysis from Carragher and Henry that they showed before the Newcastle-Liverpool game. My seat was on row 14. I wasn't aware of this at the time. I came away from the game in shock. It was the worst performance I had seen from City in years but perhaps it was a one-off due to the tactics that Spurs adopted. Trafford was also awful. In the video, Carragher suggests that the absence of Ederson's distribution enabled Spurs to play this way.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...break-down-spurs-victory-over-manchester-city

 

[Marvin.]

So, we lost because we couldn’t defend as well as expected and didn’t do as well as expected in the final third?

Did you look at that team before kick off? I didn’t and just thought that we would win because Spurs had done fuck all in the market. But when you look at the huge amount of changes, the interactions with players, and the lack of pre-season, I soon realised, with the lack of our (historical) first team players, it was going to be a tough ask.

The overall outcome is subject to opinion, but the lack of cohesion, with an inclusion of Trafford in this system, obviously had an impact on the game.

Spurs have brought in Paulinha and Kudus. That's two top class players, and they have outstanding defenders in Van der Ven and Romero. They have a top class coach too and I knew this was going to be a difficult test. I expected us to won, and I was shocked at how comprehensively we were beaten.

Bobb was the only player who won his man for man duel. They did not cut us to pieces on the counter but they did render our team completely ineffective. I thought Spurs were a bit fortunate in their goals in that they came from two errors but Trafford is not a top keeper yet. He might be good at shot stopping but his distribution, particularly the speed on his distribution was awful. Perhaps he was in shock too.

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

So, we lost because we couldn’t defend as well as expected and didn’t do as well as expected in the final third?

Did you look at that team before kick off? I didn’t and just thought that we would win because Spurs had done fuck all in the market. But when you look at the huge amount of changes, the interactions with players, and the lack of pre-season, I soon realised, with the lack of our (historical) first team players, it was going to be a tough ask.

The overall outcome is subject to opinion, but the lack of cohesion, with an inclusion of Trafford in this system, obviously had an impact on the game.

Pretty easy question but if Ederson plays does much change? That second may not happen but you cannot even say that confidently considering he has done that TWICE against Spurs and cost us goals. My point is that there was many things wrong with us and a keeper not kicking it as far was not the problem. Whilst Wolves was crap the week before, nobody said Trafford had an impact on our play in a positive way?

It took him 5 or 6 years to mess up like that.

No it didn't. Made a few stinkers first season. One at Anfield for starters. They all just got ignored which you have just proven .

 

[Father Paul]

Never forget how the press work in this country…..they have pushed and pushed the Donnarumma rumours which has no doubt had an affect on Trafford (they know what they are doing )

Trafford is exceptional with his hands and saving shots…..he does not have to try and prove he is an Ederson clone.

I’m not sure there is anyone else with Edersons skill set so we need to adapt and stop the passing back in tight situations.

Are you seriously suggesting that the goons in the media are responsible for Traffords poor play last Saturday?

 

[salfordbluetrue]

Got no problem with the players, Pep lost us that game, he did not learn from the Palermo game, in which we could not get the ball out of our half, in the first 25 minutes, and he did not learn from the PSG Tottenham game, where a far better team than us PSG could not get the ball out of their half. PSG learnt, they played long because Tottenham are not much good with the ball, it did not matter if the ball went to a Tottenham player, because the game got played in the Tottenham half.
Pep has built a rod for his own back, this result just cements the belief that all you have to do to City, is play on the counter, not that that was what Tottenham did , nor did they play the high press, they played man to man marking, where if you lose your challenge, you just drop a foul in, not that they lost many, in fact they had a high win rate, but the result is the same, the ball goes back to the keeper, and we saw how that went

 

[bluegaz13]

Are you seriously suggesting that the goons in the media are responsible for Traffords poor play last Saturday?

What I'm saying is that it played it's part....they got into his head.

Do you think the speculation about him being replaced by Donnarumma actually helped him ?

A little similar to when Neville and his friends kept mentioning Fernandinho and the 'professional fouls' etc.

They knew what they were doing and it definitely influenced the referees.