Spurs (H) | PL | Post Match Thread

half & half derby scarf said:
Utter nonsense, It was the worst we've played since the Alan Ball era and as much as you'd like to sugar coat it, that is the brutal truth. But keep posting positives and accept a 7th to 10th placed finish if you like.
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Yeah, sorry mate. I am by all accounts a happy clapping head in the sand Pep apologist around these parts. So stands to reason that I'd be blind to such a woeful performance and our obvious slide into mid table mediocrity!

The sky is falling!
 
I’ve watched the whole game again just to sense check my feeling walking out of the stadium

We were decent in the first 25 -30 mins and much the better side

We created two very good chances during this period and should have been leading before their goal

We created other numerous good openings but poor decision making cost us , I think this was the clearest indicator of the team not gelling with each other due to many new faces in the team at once

Reijnders was most guilty of this where he was trying too hard to pull off something rather than keeping it simple and finding his man and playing himself into the match. I think he was believing the hype from last week too much

Cherki was playing too deep a lot of the time and trying to start attacks , this meant we didn’t have enough support around Haaland - was this by design, this is a role Bernardo would normally fill but Cherki has more to offer between the lines

Our press was off most of the first half, Spurs back two were playing round Haaland so Bobb was instructed to press in a two, but Lewis wasn’t brave enough in the press onto Spence so they kept getting out down their right hand side. I think this also highlights the issue with Cherki in the middle as he should have been the natural player to join Haaland in a 442 off ball shape . Bernardo would have sorted this issue out better if he was on the pitch to organise the team.

Spurs score their goals and confidence tilted towards them which we struggled to get back

We started well second half but visibly wilted after missing that sitter following Bobb robbing Van der Ven

The rest of the second half , Spurs sat on their lead and we huffed and puffed to no effect , a few hairy moments with Trafford and Dias as well!

Rodri and Foden made a massive difference when they were on , which bodes well for the next few weeks

I think Pep was caught out by Frank’s selection , with all the pre game analysis centred around him parking the bus in a 532 , he did the opposite and went aggressive with a 424 high press

This must have been his thinking with playing Cherki in midfield which in hindsight was a mistake

Although , We score first and it’s a different game

If we can get this team on the pitch against Arsenal , then I think we’ll match them

Ederson

Lewis Stones Gvardiol Ait Nouri

Rodri

Bernardo Reijnders

Foden Haaland Marmoush
 
wtf is up with you all ? only 79 pages after in 2 days after defeat?
Fucking standard of this forum is so low . Should’ve been 300 plus by now .
 
Rammy Blue said:
Not for one minute do I think it’d have changed the result, as you could easily argue about the Trafford non-sending off being an awful mistake too, but I’ve just seen ref watch and for the first time seen the penalty not being given for VDV on Bobb as it was opposite end of the ground from where I sit. I just want to know, other than the obvious plays in blue & it’s City, why VAR did not get involved and give the decision? It’s just plain wrong and this is exactly the kind of incident that we should be kicking up a fuss about and requesting an explanation.

We’ve seen Arsenal get a pen for less contact, and ffs they were 4-0 up at the time.

It’s just not acceptable or good enough and I don’t understand why we don’t highlight these inconsistencies and call out the piss poor double standard refereeing.
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A stonewall pen mate. Cant explain why nowt came of it.
 
normskih said:
For the life of me I couldn’t remember any other goal other than Sergio’s in that match. Funnily enough, I remember more Kompany outstripping Aubemeyang when Arsenal were on the attack at 0-0. My heart was in my mouth at the time. This morning I thought long and hard and then Kompany’s goal came to me. I’m going to get the match up later to refresh my memory. It’s funny how I seem to remember the away fixture in the next match better than the final.
I’m inclined to agree with you about fingers crossed for improvement. It’s going to be an interesting season ahead that’s for certain.
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The strange thing is that you were waxing lyrical about Spanish Dave in your post and he scored one of the goals you forgot about.
Beast from the east the following Thursday. Bloody windy along Tarquin Terrace that night.
 
Thinking back to the starting lineup, we had lots of players with limited premier league experience. Trafford, Nico G, Marmoush, Cherki and Reijnders, that’s half the team. Also the amount of times the ball bounced and we lost out was remarkable
 
Carragher and Henry have done an analysis of how Frank's tactics surprised Pep that they played in advance of the Newcastle v Liverpool game that was very interesting. They showed that the inability of Trafford to play short and long passes allowed Spurs to go man for man on City because they knew that Trafford could not hit Haaland as Ederson so commonly does and that he oould not make himself the extra man at the back.

I have probably not explained it very well. They used video images to help illustrate the tactics.

This is worrying because I cannot see Trafford developing quickly and if Donnarumma comes in, then he also is not going to be able to replicate Ederson. Other people have made this point about the importance of Ederson and I ignored it but perhaps it hits home more when you see a team so thoroughly beat City using tactics that are made possible because of the change in keeper.
 
Marvin. said:
Carragher and Henry have done an analysis of how Frank's tactics surprised Pep that they played in advance of the Newcastle v Liverpool game that was very interesting. They showed that the inability of Trafford to play short and long passes allowed Spurs to go man for man on City because they knew that Trafford could not hit Haaland as Ederson so commonly does and that he oould not make himself the extra man at the back.

I have probably not explained it very well. They used video images to help illustrate the tactics.

This is worrying because I cannot see Trafford developing quickly and if Donnarumma comes in, then he also is not going to be able to replicate Ederson. Other people have made this point about the importance of Ederson and I ignored it but perhaps it hits home more when you see a team so thoroughly beat City using tactics that are made possible because of the change in keeper.
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We didn’t lose because our keeper couldn’t kick it as far as Ederson
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Well, if he’d lobbed it?

Or, what was the fault for losing?
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Ederson has conceded that goal many times. A couple against spurs in fact, who knows if he wasn’t going to do it again. We lost because we play a high line, we lost because we had new players who look disjointed at the moment. We lost because our manager couldn’t find any solutions to the problems presented. We lost because we missed a few good chances. We lost because we can’t defend
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Ederson has conceded that goal many times. A couple against spurs in fact, who knows if he wasn’t going to do it again. We lost because we play a high line, we lost because we had new players who look disjointed at the moment. We lost because our manager couldn’t find any solutions to the problems presented. We lost because we missed a few good chances. We lost because we can’t defend
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It took him 5 or 6 years to mess up like that.
 
Metal Biker said:
Have we forgotten how to just shoot at goal, or has Pep trained it out of them?
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I said exactly the same to a mate earlier.

I'll give Kyle his due. There were a couple of games where he got frustrated,said fuck it and he scored from shots outside the box.

I thought we were going to see more of a mix after the way we played in the CWC.

We can see it and it winds me up when there's an obvious thunderbastard and we see it passed back or to the side instead.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Ederson has conceded that goal many times. A couple against spurs in fact, who knows if he wasn’t going to do it again. We lost because we play a high line, we lost because we had new players who look disjointed at the moment. We lost because our manager couldn’t find any solutions to the problems presented. We lost because we missed a few good chances. We lost because we can’t defend
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So, we lost because we couldn’t defend as well as expected and didn’t do as well as expected in the final third?

Did you look at that team before kick off? I didn’t and just thought that we would win because Spurs had done fuck all in the market. But when you look at the huge amount of changes, the interactions with players, and the lack of pre-season, I soon realised, with the lack of our (historical) first team players, it was going to be a tough ask.

The overall outcome is subject to opinion, but the lack of cohesion, with an inclusion of Trafford in this system, obviously had an impact on the game.
 
I think it's worth watching this analysis from Carragher and Henry that they showed before the Newcastle-Liverpool game. My seat was on row 14. I wasn't aware of this at the time. I came away from the game in shock. It was the worst performance I had seen from City in years but perhaps it was a one-off due to the tactics that Spurs adopted. Trafford was also awful. In the video, Carragher suggests that the absence of Ederson's distribution enabled Spurs to play this way.
https://www.skysports.com/football/...break-down-spurs-victory-over-manchester-city
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
So, we lost because we couldn’t defend as well as expected and didn’t do as well as expected in the final third?

Did you look at that team before kick off? I didn’t and just thought that we would win because Spurs had done fuck all in the market. But when you look at the huge amount of changes, the interactions with players, and the lack of pre-season, I soon realised, with the lack of our (historical) first team players, it was going to be a tough ask.

The overall outcome is subject to opinion, but the lack of cohesion, with an inclusion of Trafford in this system, obviously had an impact on the game.
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Spurs have brought in Paulinha and Kudus. That's two top class players, and they have outstanding defenders in Van der Ven and Romero. They have a top class coach too and I knew this was going to be a difficult test. I expected us to won, and I was shocked at how comprehensively we were beaten.

Bobb was the only player who won his man for man duel. They did not cut us to pieces on the counter but they did render our team completely ineffective. I thought Spurs were a bit fortunate in their goals in that they came from two errors but Trafford is not a top keeper yet. He might be good at shot stopping but his distribution, particularly the speed on his distribution was awful. Perhaps he was in shock too.
 
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