Spurs thread 2019/20

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Did any Spurs fan on here say anything about Bernardo at all? It wasn’t a story that I followed in any depth.

Certainly, I don’t recall Spurs fans reporting Bernardo to the FA or calling for him to be kicked out of your club. ;-)

I definitely didn't post about it. It seemed every other forum had an opinion on Bernardo Silva being a racist, and 200 pages on here defending him.

Anyway, as I said before, faux outrage and all that bollocks. If people see the shit flying around the pubs , workplaces, memes, schools about the coronavirus we may as well call everybody a racist

We live in a world where people get very very very upset, hence some of the foaming at the mouth responses the past ten pages. Brilliant
 
I definitely didn't post about it. It seemed every other forum had an opinion on Bernardo Silva being a racist, and 200 pages on here defending him.

Anyway, as I said before, faux outrage and all that bollocks. If people see the shit flying around the pubs , workplaces, memes, schools about the coronavirus we may as well call everybody a racist

We live in a world where people get very very very upset, hence some of the foaming at the mouth responses the past ten pages. Brilliant

Agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right. Bernardo shouldn't have been punished for a joke and neither should Alli. It's a tyranny, the rule of the social media mob.
 
Agreed. Two wrongs don't make a right. Bernardo shouldn't have been punished for a joke and neither should Alli. It's a tyranny, the rule of the social media mob.
A joke between mates is different to whst ali has done,he has filmed an innocent person and made a racist remark,don't make him a racist but it was a racist remark
 
A joke between mates is different to whst ali has done,he has filmed an innocent person and made a racist remark,don't make him a racist but it was a racist remark

Remark?

What remark?

You can't have even seen the video. Epic fail!

It's no wonder that the story has generated a flood of self righteous indignation and virtue signalling when people feel unashamedly entitled to rush to judgement and point fingers without having bothered to do even the most basic research.
 
Growing up I never knew the term yid, my only dealings with the word was in relation to spurs fans. as I grew up I began to understand it was a derogatory term again without really knowing why until I later realised its Jewish origins and whilst I obviously understand it as an adult, the word for me is simply a throwaway term for a spurs fan in the same way we call united fans rags and have names for a lot of other fan bases. I usually refrain from using the word because I understand it’s offensive origins and the world we live in now means you have to be very wary of what you say but I personally don’t deem it an offensive word and I suspect many people of a similar age and particularly those younger don’t either.

Words have always changed meaning over time, I don’t see why a once derogatory and racist word can’t change too, another generation down the line and I believe that will happen.
 
Remark?

What remark?

You can't have even seen the video. Epic fail!

It's no wonder that the story has generated a flood of self righteous indignation and virtue signalling when people feel unashamedly entitled to rush to judgement and point fingers without having bothered to do even the most basic research.
I saw it before iit was taken down,if you saved it them pm it to me
 
About time too.

The words "yid" and "yiddo" have, over the past 40 years, been far more commonly used by Spurs and other fans (to mean Spurs fan or player) than by anti Semites to refer pejoratively to Jews.

Jim - I disagree strongly with you on this. It is a racist term. And it should go. Spurs don't need the word. it is ludicrously old fashioned and stupid like smoking, casual racism and Spitfires. Although with Brexit, I guess at least half the population want to bring this sort of thing back.
 
Jim - I disagree strongly with you on this. It is a racist term. And it should go. Spurs don't need the word. it is ludicrously old fashioned and stupid like smoking, casual racism and Spitfires. Although with Brexit, I guess at least half the population want to bring this sort of thing back.

It is only a racist term in certain very specific contexts. I’ll repost what I posted a couple of months ago on this thread:


Brief history: Back in the 1970's-80's, fans of other clubs (particularly other London clubs and / or clubs with a hard core, right wing following) would routinely sing vile antisemitic songs at Spurs fans because Spurs had a significant Jewish fan base. After a while, Spurs fans as a whole (regardless of whether they were Jewish or not) fought back by claiming the words "yid" and "yiddo" for themselves. This drew the sting from the racists and the antisemitic chants largely disappeared.

By this time, referring to themselves as "yids" or "yiddos" had become a kind of badge of honour. But as the years went by, it just became habit. When Spurs fans chant the word "yid" or "yiddo" now, they mean only "Spurs fan" or "Spurs player". Nothing more than that.

"Yid" was originally an Ashkenazi Jewish word that meant, literally, "Jew". In yiddish, it is neutral or, when prefaced by "reb", respectful. It only became a pejorative in the employ of antisemites. I've seen claims from some quarters that Spurs fans had no right to reclaim the word and no right to use it still. That it belongs to Ashkenazi Jews.

Sheer nonsense, of course (just as the notion of cultural appropriation being a bad thing is sheer nonsense). No one owns language. Spoken language is just sounds. And words / sounds can have many meanings. They can also change meaning or develop further meanings. Language is fluid; not set in stone. Such has happened countless times in the history of most languages. Especially English. I would argue that for every time the word "yid" is now used in English as an offensive term towards Jews, it is used ten or twenty times as often to mean Spurs fan or player. A new meaning of the word has therefore entered the vernacular, if not yet the lexicon.

Lastly, we have enshrined in law in this country, the principle of Mens Rea. In the context of this discussion, Mens Rea determines when it is or isn't acceptable to use the word "yid". If someone were to walk into a synagogue or a Jewish supermarket and start angrily shouting and snarling about "yids", it's a safe bet that this person is an antisemite. If, however, a person is at the Tottenham Hotspur stadium, wearing a Tottenham shirt and smiling while singing "the thing I love most is being a yid", then it's a safe bet that this person is just a Spurs fan. Context is everything.

And if someone is determined to ignore context and take offence at the use of the word "yid" regardless, then that is their problem alone. No one has the right not to be offended.
 
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I will add that whenever anyone - David Baddiel, the police, or even THFC itself - has tried to ban or criminalise the word, it has only led to it being sung louder and more often. That’s why we have one of our most commonly sung songs:

...They tried to stop us
But look what they did
The thing I love most
Is being a yid....

Therefore, any attempt to ban it will be met with huge resistance and will be returned with interest. Simple answer - accept that the word has a new meaning (well, 40 years new) and that it is here to stay.
 
Definitely that. By far the worst thing about it. However, as I understand it (being a million years too old to use snapchat!), Alli only allowed the video to be viewed by friends. It was one of those "friends" who decided to splash it all over social media and thus made a fairly private joke very public.

Haven't we all at some point filmed what some random stranger was doing or saying because it amused us? Or haven't we at least laughed at similar such videos that we've been sent or have stumbled across online? Did we throw up our arms, horrified by the invasion of privacy in each of those instances?

What are your views regarding the treatment of Bobby Madley for his indiscretions?
 
I always thought yid was short for Yiddish which meant Jewish. As in Yidisha mama, I believe from old films but might be wrong. The only times I have heard this is by spurs fans as a reference to their Jewish support. Regarding Ali's comments as others have said I don't believe him to be a racist, but unfortunately that's the world we live in. It was silly, childresh and I'll thought. And draws parallels to the Bernardo tweet. Again as others have said the precedent was set with the way Bernado was treated.
 
So we are not really sure if Yid is an acceptable name for supporters of THFC.
To clear matters up I am proposing a change of tack.
So in homage to The Red Army of MUFC supporters who swept away all opposition in the 70s/80s I have some up with a new name for a collective of THFC fans.
How about - RED SEA PEDESTRIAN ARMY.
What do our Spurs friends who post on this board think of that??
 
I always thought yid was short for Yiddish which meant Jewish. As in Yidisha mama, I believe from old films but might be wrong. The only times I have heard this is by spurs fans as a reference to their Jewish support. Regarding Ali's comments as others have said I don't believe him to be a racist, but unfortunately that's the world we live in. It was silly, childresh and I'll thought. And draws parallels to the Bernardo tweet. Again as others have said the precedent was set with the way Bernado was treated.

Yiddish is the language spoken.
 
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