Spurs vs City post match

At the end of the day it's not Pep's team yet...well partially...despite this we have had an excellent start...we will be there or thereabouts at the business end of the season...We were bound to lose sooner or later and if I had to chalk one off it was against Spurs...Pep will learn from it and i'm sure we will bounce back against Everton
 
Just read a statistic in the Mail that said we have only won 39% of games when the two Ferns play together, and won 73% when they don't, interesting :-)

Apparently with De Bruyne we're a 90+ points per season team. Without him we're struggling to avoid relegation with 38 pts!
 
without question Kev is a huge miss. I think I saw that every game we've lost in '16 he's been out?

Having said that, I was a little surprised at the full backs and fenando selection. Said from the team announcement that zab and kolarov would struggle against younger, faster forwards - and that gundogen perhaps should have started as david was just swamped. Even if they were "a bit tired", start your best team (were clichy and sagna injured?) try and get the game under some kind of control then rest/swap from the bench.

We asked them to go at us. Well, we should have known that they's go at us and don't think we did ourselves any favours with selection.

Would have been interesting to see what may have been if we'd have scored in the first minute and kolarov had been able to clear.
 
No one knows and that's the beauty of football. As long as we play to the best of our ability then it'll have to be a very very good team to pip us to the title.
I wouldn't call spurs a very very good team (they are no better than us) - we actually played the better football but they hit us where its clear we are weak. Lots of people said it before the game. What Pep needs to do if he cant change the personnel (which he cant at present and in the future if he has to play those same combo of players again) is to play in a different way out at least ask certain players to do some things different - Im hoping this is what he will do as if he doesn't Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal will all have a field day against us.

You cannot ask fernando to play out from the back...he is so slow he gets caught out...also it causes a problem for the centre halves as his movement ahead of them when they have the ball at the back isn't good enough.

Kolorov at left back needs to be told to concentrate on defending . I think he has always been overrated as an attacking influence but that aside both our fullbacks were pushing so high up the pitch that when we lost the ball they couldn't recover...these movements forward need to be tempered at least as it leaves us wide open......again against better teams who are going to rob us of possession in the centre circles the full backs should be further back than this at this point (against the weaker teams its not necessary but against spurs etc it is) - so there starting positions at certain points in certain games needs to change.

When we play navas he needs to be told to stop coming inside...he wastes everything and slow s everything down (strange for a player of such pace - well not that strange looking at his decision making!) He is so wasteful....when we break he should immediately break high and wide but he doesn't always do that and often gets in the way in central positions. Im also not sure what he was doing defensively yesterday as he offered no cover for Zabaleta. (this is not usually a problem with Navas)

The biggest single problem however is fernando in midfield as it has a knock on effect al over the rest of the pitch from the back four having less options to pass to, to this then isolating david silva (especially combined to when KDB doesn't play) to losing the ball int he centre circle simply because he isn't mobile enough and not quick enough of thought.

Pep needs to change things to sort out this. I don't know if Garcia is ready (my guess is not quite) which is a shame.....yaya isn't an option despite the ongoing feud with he agent as he would potentially have the same problems (though at least his use of the ball is better.) moving sterling inside into the kdb role is one option..it frees up fernandihnio to do the job fernando was trying to do...the one we have seen ferna do very well where he drops between the centre halves.....sterlings movement should be good enough to give options to pass to.

He could have started Sane yesterday...(though I'm not sure about this lad yet) and moved sterling inside - or vice versa) to play instead of kdb/..but pep chose to move ferna up and put fernando at the base of his midfield..this is where we lost it in the main along with the basic school by defending of Kolorov who for a pro not being able to use his right foot is shocking....2 goals in two games purely cause of that.
 
At the end of the day it's not Pep's team yet...well partially...despite this we have had an excellent start...we will be there or thereabouts at the business end of the season...We were bound to lose sooner or later and if I had to chalk one off it was against Spurs...Pep will learn from it and i'm sure we will bounce back against Everton

I jeep seeing this at the end of the season we will be bit.....Im not sure you can change the players enough to get that..the likes of fernando, kolorov zabba and navas arent going to suddenly be able to do the things they need to be....So unless Pep changes his way during certain games then we will get similar results
 
I wouldn't call spurs a very very good team (they are no better than us) - we actually played the better football but they hit us where its clear we are weak. Lots of people said it before the game. What Pep needs to do if he cant change the personnel (which he cant at present and in the future if he has to play those same combo of players again) is to play in a different way out at least ask certain players to do some things different - Im hoping this is what he will do as if he doesn't Spurs, Liverpool and Arsenal will all have a field day against us.

You cannot ask fernando to play out from the back...he is so slow he gets caught out...also it causes a problem for the centre halves as his movement ahead of them when they have the ball at the back isn't good enough.

Kolorov at left back needs to be told to concentrate on defending . I think he has always been overrated as an attacking influence but that aside both our fullbacks were pushing so high up the pitch that when we lost the ball they couldn't recover...these movements forward need to be tempered at least as it leaves us wide open......again against better teams who are going to rob us of possession in the centre circles the full backs should be further back than this at this point (against the weaker teams its not necessary but against spurs etc it is) - so there starting positions at certain points in certain games needs to change.

When we play navas he needs to be told to stop coming inside...he wastes everything and slow s everything down (strange for a player of such pace - well not that strange looking at his decision making!) He is so wasteful....when we break he should immediately break high and wide but he doesn't always do that and often gets in the way in central positions. Im also not sure what he was doing defensively yesterday as he offered no cover for Zabaleta. (this is not usually a problem with Navas)

The biggest single problem however is fernando in midfield as it has a knock on effect al over the rest of the pitch from the back four having less options to pass to, to this then isolating david silva (especially combined to when KDB doesn't play) to losing the ball int he centre circle simply because he isn't mobile enough and not quick enough of thought.

Pep needs to change things to sort out this. I don't know if Garcia is ready (my guess is not quite) which is a shame.....yaya isn't an option despite the ongoing feud with he agent as he would potentially have the same problems (though at least his use of the ball is better.) moving sterling inside into the kdb role is one option..it frees up fernandihnio to do the job fernando was trying to do...the one we have seen ferna do very well where he drops between the centre halves.....sterlings movement should be good enough to give options to pass to.

He could have started Sane yesterday...(though I'm not sure about this lad yet) and moved sterling inside - or vice versa) to play instead of kdb/..but pep chose to move ferna up and put fernando at the base of his midfield..this is where we lost it in the main along with the basic school by defending of Kolorov who for a pro not being able to use his right foot is shocking....2 goals in two games purely cause of that.

Cracking summary!

For me the tactics where not the issue yesterday it is was the personnel. I am not one who wants whole sale changes and believe what we did this window was exceptional, but I do think next season we will see a lot of change in defence.

We have players clearly a step down from the Bayern, Barca players that Pep is use to and I'm not just talking first team but squad players too. For me Kolarov, Clichy, Fernando, Ota (possibly squad bit not first team), Zaba, Sagna (again possibly squad for this season), Yaya (now), Navas and yesterday we had 5 of those players out of 6 and the drop in quality showed.

We do have potential with Garcia, Angelino, Maffeo this season to show if they have the potential to take over from some of these players. We also have options in the squad with Gundogan (getting back to match fit and a lot of games), Sane (needs time) then the injuries and suspensions, but you will always have them. Nolito was silly in getting sent off and I'm not saying the result would have been different if he had played, but ultimately having Navas and Sterling swapping sides did us no favours.

The main issue is the quality at the back is lacking for a play out at all costs scenario, as this focuses on our weakest area. Against lesser opposition who allow us to play out then it gives more possession to our strongest area, that they will need in order to help against the packed defences. However, against this type of opposition the question is did it provide our best players enough possession in dangerous areas, that it was worth it. I think we can all see that if it was done right, we would have been able to attack Spurs in good positions with space available. My opinion on Pep is that he is not one to change on this aspect, he will want to improve so it works as opposed to admitting to the weakness and having a season off waiting for the right players. Which I agree with as for us to truly develop as a team all the players need to get use to playing this way.
 
Very one dimensional, no plan B.

We were always going to get found out regarding tactics. It happened last season after a great start.

The difference is this time we have a manager that will respond and hopefully the players as well.
 
Does anyone have the stats regarding number of fouls by each team & yellow cards ?
 
Very one dimensional, no plan B.

Not true at all. Pep changed things up in the 2H and we dominated the last 25 mins and created a few good chances and on another day, a goal or two. What killed us was the Kolarov screw-up. Without that, we could well have got a draw.

That's not to paper over the obvious defensive weaknesses, but to argue that we were outplayed when we bested possession 58-42 and had almost as many shots on goal as they did, is ignoring the facts.
 
I think at this stage the fitness is not there to carry out what Pep demands, a hard nights graft at Celtic on Wednesday night, didn't help either.... Lets face it, we are still the team to beat and the only thing that will stop us winning the title is the team itself... We need to put another marker down and take out the Toffees, I think we will.
Barcelona counteract teams pressing them high by passing through them, we have not developed that skill enough at this stage of the season but when we do, teams like Spurs will be getting a bloody nose from us, not a well deserved win.
 
I think at this stage the fitness is not there to carry out what Pep demands, a hard nights graft at Celtic on Wednesday night, didn't help either.... Lets face it, we are still the team to beat and the only thing that will stop us winning the title is the team itself... We need to put another marker down and take out the Toffees, I think we will.
Barcelona counteract teams pressing them high by passing through them, we have not developed that skill enough at this stage of the season but when we do, teams like Spurs will be getting a bloody nose from us, not a well deserved win.

It was more than fitness ... there are real defensive frailties that will cost us whenever we play a big team (particularly away). We badly need Kompany back - he is due back for the Barca game, but god knows how long that will last. And hopefully Pep now knows Sagna and Clichy fullbacks for big games.
 
Agreed the defence had a poor game but we cannot depend on Kompany, he wont last half a season, what was missing was De Bruyne for me and getting caught in possession was a real problem, once they get the fitness and are quicker to offload the passes, it will come, too many players need too many touches to control the ball hampered us big time, Fernando in particular guilty of that.

6 wins and a loss is still a fantastic start and one we would have all settled for at the start of the season, Pep Included.
 
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Agreed the defence had a poor game but we cannot depend on Kompany, he wont last half a season, what was missing was De Bruyne for me and getting caught in possession was a real problem, once they get the fitness and are quicker to offload the passes, it will come, too many players need too many touches to control the ball hampered us big time, Fernando in particular guilty of that.

6 wins and a loss is still a fantastic start and one we would have all settled for at the start of the season.

De Bruyne was a big miss - in the 2H when we controlled things, you have to think he could have found a killer pass and unlocked the defence. Plus we had several wasted set-pieces where he would have been invaluable.

6 wins, 1 loss is very good, but my worry is with the exception of the Scum, we have beaten teams at the bottom of the table. While logic and my eyes dictate otherwise, the actual results are not that dissimilar to last year as of yet. In fact, had Lamela put away the pen, we would have lost by 3 goals at WHL again - and this year was arguably worse as there were no dubious goals.
 
The defence never covered itself in glory which was not entirely unexpected, but the attack let us down, too. Bad team performance, but we learn and move on to the next opponent.
 
De Bruyne was a big miss - in the 2H when we controlled things, you have to think he could have found a killer pass and unlocked the defence. Plus we had several wasted set-pieces where he would have been invaluable.

6 wins, 1 loss is very good, but my worry is with the exception of the Scum, we have beaten teams at the bottom of the table. While logic and my eyes dictate otherwise, the actual results are not that dissimilar to last year as of yet. In fact, had Lamela put away the pen, we would have lost by 3 goals at WHL again - and this year was arguably worse as there were no dubious goals.

If you look at the points we have gained this season, beating teams that beat us last season, I would say we are on track, I hear what you say but if we can beat Everton at home I think we will be fine going forward, that's our next big test and we need to come through it to keep the confidence high..
 
If you look at the points we have gained this season, beating teams that beat us last season, I would say we are on track, I hear what you say but if we can beat Everton at home I think we will be fine going forward, that's our next big test and we need to come through it to keep the confidence high..

I agree on the teams that beat us last year - but in fairness, I think you have to disregard West Ham as they are so much poorer than last year. As are Stoke (although I think they will get better - Sat may have been the start). So the difference is really beating the Scum - which was an impressive performance for sure.

In contrast, Everton are much better than last year (now they discarded that fraud Manager) so as you say, that will be a big yardstick for us.
 
If you look at the points we have gained this season, beating teams that beat us last season, I would say we are on track, I hear what you say but if we can beat Everton at home I think we will be fine going forward, that's our next big test and we need to come through it to keep the confidence high..

The like for like points bit isn't a reflection for me as the teams we lost to last season like West Ham and Stoke have been poor this one. Laser is right in that we have beaten the bottom 4 and a team that have only improved since we beat them (Bournemouth). The rag win was obviously a good one and overall 6/7 is great and it gives us a good platform. I do think though that at this point it's hard to say how far we have progressed. I like the togetherness of the side, the application has been better and tactically Pep has shown that he has been better with his subs and his ruthlessness in shipping out players.

My concerns are that we have little quality once the best players are out (Fernando and Navas are just not top level players) and we have criminally overlooked the right and left back positions once again despite it being a problem for at least 2 seasons.

the next two games will be a better test because it is a step up in quality.

It may take 2 seasons to really see the benefit of this overhaul.
 

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