Stadium Developments thread - San Siro to be demolished (p56)

[Chris-NCL]

More details about our (Newcastle) potential new stadium have leaked.
Apparently it won’t be located as far North of SJP as I thought, and the Southern most point would overlap with the current Northern point of SJP. The capacity is said to be just under 70k, the price is said to be atleast £1.2bn. Oh and fear not, it is said to be taller than our current stadium.

 

[jrb]

Wrexham AFC Unveils Design of New Kop Stand | Populous

Wrexham AFC have unveiled the plans for the new Populous-designed Kop Stand at the STōK Cae Ras stadium.——–At the rear of the stand an external brick facade pays homage to the City’s “Terracottapolis” nickname, and the brick colour and textures are reminiscent of the historic Ruabon red brick...

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[LangleyBlue1970]

More details about our (Newcastle) potential new stadium have leaked.
Apparently it won’t be located as far North of SJP as I thought, and the Southern most point would overlap with the current Northern point of SJP. The capacity is said to be just under 70k, the price is said to be atleast £1.2bn. Oh and fear not, it is said to be taller than our current stadium.

What’s the season ticket waiting list like, if at all? Would you get close to 70k?

 

[Chris-NCL]

What’s the season ticket waiting list like, if at all? Would you get close to 70k?

We don’t have an official one as they never go on sale.
Our membership numbers is at least 100k though. Every game is a sellout. We sell individual match-tickets in 2 main stages. The first stage is members ballot, then the 2nd stage is members general sale.
There just isn’t enough tickets to go around.

We would easily sell out with a 70k capacity to be honest, although that is assuming we aren’t going to start fleecing fans for tickets.
Some people, myself included feel that a just under 70k capacity is a bit small, and that we should have gone maybe between 75k-80k.
On all honesty if we get over that 70k threshold, I’ll be happy. I think that would put us in a decent position to start trying host events like the Champions League final, other mainstream concerts, and even though we may not get it due to our location, but put our hat in the ring for NFL games.

 

[HelloCity]

 

[Manchester_lalala]

We don’t have an official one as they never go on sale.
Our membership numbers is at least 100k though. Every game is a sellout. We sell individual match-tickets in 2 main stages. The first stage is members ballot, then the 2nd stage is members general sale.
There just isn’t enough tickets to go around.

We would easily sell out with a 70k capacity to be honest, although that is assuming we aren’t going to start fleecing fans for tickets.
Some people, myself included feel that a just under 70k capacity is a bit small, and that we should have gone maybe between 75k-80k.
On all honesty if we get over that 70k threshold, I’ll be happy. I think that would put us in a decent position to start trying host events like the Champions League final, other mainstream concerts, and even though we may not get it due to our location, but put our hat in the ring for NFL games.

They’d get stupid not to build a 75k seater. I think it’s the right move for Newcastle, people bang on about atmosphere in new stadiums but for me it’s a load of bollocks. Most English prem stadiums are quiet and the fans only raise their games for big games, like last night for example.

 

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Wrexham AFC Unveils Design of New Kop Stand | Populous

Wrexham AFC have unveiled the plans for the new Populous-designed Kop Stand at the STōK Cae Ras stadium.——–At the rear of the stand an external brick facade pays homage to the City’s “Terracottapolis” nickname, and the brick colour and textures are reminiscent of the historic Ruabon red brick...

populous.com

I like that. Something a bit more interesting than generic football stadium architecture.

 

[.db.]

More details about our (Newcastle) potential new stadium have leaked.
Apparently it won’t be located as far North of SJP as I thought, and the Southern most point would overlap with the current Northern point of SJP. The capacity is said to be just under 70k, the price is said to be atleast £1.2bn. Oh and fear not, it is said to be taller than our current stadium.

As a set of fans, you have to push for the design to keep that big first tier like you’ve got at St James’ now. The more fans you can gather together without being split up over tiers or away sections in the way is the best way to generate noise.

 

[Koniec]

They’d get stupid not to build a 75k seater. I think it’s the right move for Newcastle, people bang on about atmosphere in new stadiums but for me it’s a load of bollocks. Most English prem stadiums are quiet and the fans only raise their games for big games, like last night for example.

The fans make the atmosphere, the stadia doesn’t really matter. I think only difference is British fans tend to be reactive, get noisy when their team is playing well/leading and euro fans and more proactive, they sing despite what’s going on on pitch. I prefer the spontaneous chants over here. And I go to a lot of fitba in Poland. A lot of ultras are about themselves imo. I’ve been at St James and it was like a library.

 

[petrusha]

We don’t have an official one as they never go on sale.
Our membership numbers is at least 100k though. Every game is a sellout. We sell individual match-tickets in 2 main stages. The first stage is members ballot, then the 2nd stage is members general sale.
There just isn’t enough tickets to go around.

We would easily sell out with a 70k capacity to be honest, although that is assuming we aren’t going to start fleecing fans for tickets.
Some people, myself included feel that a just under 70k capacity is a bit small, and that we should have gone maybe between 75k-80k.
On all honesty if we get over that 70k threshold, I’ll be happy. I think that would put us in a decent position to start trying host events like the Champions League final, other mainstream concerts, and even though we may not get it due to our location, but put our hat in the ring for NFL games.

Congratulations on the win last night, Chris. Hope you win the final, whoever you play.

Been following NUFC's stadium issues over recent years. A very good mate of mine who's one of the few other foreigners left out here in Russia is a Geordie, a great fan of the Toon and an absolutely super lad generally, and I've discussed it with him. His views are what, from my looking around online, seem to me to be those of most of your fans.

In other words, he loves the location of SJP and would be reluctant to lose that, but recognises you need to upgrade to compete in the modern era. He sees a new stadium on the proposed site as a way to get close to enjoying the best of both worlds. Anyway, good luck to you. FWIW, I agree with both you and the poster immediately above me that you should try to squeeze the capacity to at least 75K.

By the way, would the plan be to play at SJP while the work goes on to build the new ground, even when the overlapping part of the old ground has to be demolished? Spurs had a similar plan but ended up going to Wembley for nearly two full seasons. I know nothing about the practical aspects of construction, but I'm guessing that Spurs baulked at the cost of doing that given that Wembley was available as a relatively nearby alternative.

Presumably, given that there's no stadium you can realistically use in your neck of the woods, your board will pay what it takes to deploy the necessary complex construction solutions. I did see a suggestion somewhere (but I've forgotten where and can't find it now) that you could build a temporary 50,000-seater in Gateshead for the period of construction but I assume that's nonsense.

 

[petrusha]

I'll also comment on Wrexham as my best mate from university few up nearby and is a lifelong fan. He's lived down south since we graduated 35 years ago but went to several away games and a decent chunk of the ones at home even throughout their darkest days. I'd quite often travel with him to tick off a new ground when I lived in London.

I think talk of 45K or 55K for them, as mentioned by one of the co-owners, is completely ludicrous. However, the current ownership has energised not only the existing support base but also large numbers of people in their catchment area who previously latched on predominantly to the red dippers but also to clubs like the rags and the blue dippers.

At the moment, the club has an ability to generate income way above its apparent current pay grade because it has glamorous owners who are capable of enthralling corporate America and thus attracting large amounts of sponsorship dollars. If they left now, a lot of the new fans would drop away if the success faded.

Conversely, if they stay long enough for the support to become entrenched then, as the sole league club in North Wales with all that population to aim at, they could IMO end up with a base capable of filling a ground of 25K in the Championship. The ability to generate cash that I referred to would give them a half-decent shot at reaching the PL with these owners in place. My guess would be that they could then fill 30K or maybe even a bit more in the top flight.

It needs to be said, though, that the owners have gone big on the history of the current stadium as they've sought to play up the romance of Wrexham's story under their stewardship. A newly built out-of-town venue simply wouldn't have the same resonance when it comes to selling the club to new fans both local and international, though perhaps if they ever get to that point it might cease to matter by then.

In any event, there are significant hurdles with expansion beyond the 16K they'll have with the redeveloped Kop. There's a lot of building and lands they'll need to buy up before they can even consider an expansion, so they may well have to compete in the Championship with a ground that will exclude thousands who'd like to attend.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

The fans make the atmosphere, the stadia doesn’t really matter. I think only difference is British fans tend to be reactive, get noisy when their team is playing well/leading and euro fans and more proactive, they sing despite what’s going on on pitch. I prefer the spontaneous chants over here. And I go to a lot of fitba in Poland. A lot of ultras are about themselves imo. I’ve been at St James and it was like a library.

I was there for the City game a few months ago and the atmosphere was awful.

 

[TheGhost]

Congratulations on the win last night, Chris. Hope you win the final, whoever you play.

Been following NUFC's stadium issues over recent years. A very good mate of mine who's one of the few other foreigners left out here in Russia is a Geordie, a great fan of the Toon and an absolutely super lad generally, and I've discussed it with him. His views are what, from my looking around online, seem to me to be those of most of your fans.

In other words, he loves the location of SJP and would be reluctant to lose that, but recognises you need to upgrade to compete in the modern era. He sees a new stadium on the proposed site as a way to get close to enjoying the best of both worlds. Anyway, good luck to you. FWIW, I agree with both you and the poster immediately above me that you should try to squeeze the capacity to at least 75K.

By the way, would the plan be to play at SJP while the work goes on to build the new ground, even when the overlapping part of the old ground has to be demolished? Spurs had a similar plan but ended up going to Wembley for nearly two full seasons. I know nothing about the practical aspects of construction, but I'm guessing that Spurs baulked at the cost of doing that given that Wembley was available as a relatively nearby alternative.

Presumably, given that there's no stadium you can realistically use in your neck of the woods, your board will pay what it takes to deploy the necessary complex construction solutions. I did see a suggestion somewhere (but I've forgotten where and can't find it now) that you could build a temporary 50,000-seater in Gateshead for the period of construction but I assume that's nonsense.

Edinburgh and Murrayfield is an hour and half away. Or whisper it the Stadium of Light.

 

[HelloCity]

 

[HelloCity]

Birmingham FC chairman proposes £20m tunnel for new stadium

Birmingham City football club (FC) chairman Tom Wagner has unveiled his plans to build a new tunnel to transport fans to the new stadium.

www.tunnelsandtunnelling.com

Birmingham City football club (FC) chairman Tom Wagner has unveiled his plans to build an underground tunnel to transport fans to the club’s new football stadium in the West Midlands.

The plan involves building a 1.5-mile (2.5km) tunnel beneath existing railway lines and includes a connection to the HS2 rail line, which will link Birmingham and London.

The proposed tunnel project entails a £20m investment, a part of a broader £3bn investment for establishing a sports and entertainment hub in East Birmingham.

It will connect the New Street station, a central hub of the British railway system, with the new sports complex, planned to be built in the Bordesley Green area.

The club would use electric buses in the tunnel to transport large numbers of fans between the city centre and the stadium.

Tom Wagner told the media: “Subways are very expensive and complicated to develop.

“We thought of an idea to simply tunnel under the existing rail lines and connect New Street station to the sports quarter and use electric buses running underground. It could transport thousands of people an hour. We think it would cost roughly £20m.

“I’m the ‘crazy American’ talking about this, but we need more local voices with the right accent talking about why this is a good idea. The funds are there nationally, and it’s a tiny percentage of those funds that we’re asking for.”

Wagner, who co-owns the club with former NFL player Tom Brady, said that extending the city’s tram network has been their preferred solution.

However, he urged for the tunnel project to be considered as a practical alternative.

 

[HelloCity]

 

[RegisteredToSeePhotos]

More owners looking for taxpayers money to subsidise a multi-million, if not billion industry.

Whether the owners themselves are American or not, give these suggestions an inch and we'll soon be on the way to the American model of funding stadiums.

 

[Chris-NCL]

Congratulations on the win last night, Chris. Hope you win the final, whoever you play.

Been following NUFC's stadium issues over recent years. A very good mate of mine who's one of the few other foreigners left out here in Russia is a Geordie, a great fan of the Toon and an absolutely super lad generally, and I've discussed it with him. His views are what, from my looking around online, seem to me to be those of most of your fans.

In other words, he loves the location of SJP and would be reluctant to lose that, but recognises you need to upgrade to compete in the modern era. He sees a new stadium on the proposed site as a way to get close to enjoying the best of both worlds. Anyway, good luck to you. FWIW, I agree with both you and the poster immediately above me that you should try to squeeze the capacity to at least 75K.

By the way, would the plan be to play at SJP while the work goes on to build the new ground, even when the overlapping part of the old ground has to be demolished? Spurs had a similar plan but ended up going to Wembley for nearly two full seasons. I know nothing about the practical aspects of construction, but I'm guessing that Spurs baulked at the cost of doing that given that Wembley was available as a relatively nearby alternative.

Presumably, given that there's no stadium you can realistically use in your neck of the woods, your board will pay what it takes to deploy the necessary complex construction solutions. I did see a suggestion somewhere (but I've forgotten where and can't find it now) that you could build a temporary 50,000-seater in Gateshead for the period of construction but I assume that's nonsense.

Yeah I think it would be very much like Spurs’ solution where we build the majority of the new stadium, and only have to play a year or two away from SJP for the final phase.
The club hasn’t actually released plans or details yet, everything so far is journalist info.
Luke Edwards in his most recent article suggested that we could play at Murrayfield, however that comes with its own challenges. Although the closest city to us Northernly, it is about the same distance as Newcastle to Manchester, although it is quicker both by car and by train.
The club did hint that it won’t be an option recently though.
The stadium of light may pose problems with the policing, even if both clubs are willing to work together.
It all remains to be seen what the solution is.
I think they might try and do it so the majority of stadium can be used, and they will add the final stand later on.

 

[HelloCity]

 

[Koniec]

Yeah I think it would be very much like Spurs’ solution where we build the majority of the new stadium, and only have to play a year or two away from SJP for the final phase.
The club hasn’t actually released plans or details yet, everything so far is journalist info.
Luke Edwards in his most recent article suggested that we could play at Murrayfield, however that comes with its own challenges. Although the closest city to us Northernly, it is about the same distance as Newcastle to Manchester, although it is quicker both by car and by train.
The club did hint that it won’t be an option recently though.
The stadium of light may pose problems with the policing, even if both clubs are willing to work together.
It all remains to be seen what the solution is.
I think they might try and do it so the majority of stadium can be used, and they will add the final stand later on.

Murrayfield? I doubt the Edinburgh polis would enjoy that, Your games would have to be every Sunday or something to avoid clashing with Hibs or FC Huge home games.