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First post; apologies, it's a long one. Allow me to introduce myself in the context of this thread. I've been a season ticket holder since the age of 5 (1989 season), I sat in the North Stand then and I sit in the South Stand now. I used to go to the games and come back hoarse, but these days I tend to sit and watch most games in relative silence. The main reason I go to the match is because it is a family occasion for us - I sit with my mum, dad, great uncle and grandad (who's been going to games since 1925); the other reason I go is to watch the football. My credentials as a City fan are sound.
So, as a fan I am pretty passive. I will get irate and shout when decisions go against us and I will be a bit more vocal at the bigger games, but I'm not one for singing, chanting, or standing up, turning around and staring at the arse of the person who sits behind me while jumping up and down - like I say, I go to watch the football! I appreciate that for some of you, this means that I don't "get behind the team" and I am therefore a crap fan. You might be right on that - I'm afraid I can't get that wound up these days about how 11 millionaires have performed on a football field. There's more to my life than football.
Back in the days when we were shit, I felt like my vocal support made a difference. My little contribution towards a much greater "12th man" was an important reason to be at the match. Beyond that, my financial support was definitely needed; Manchester City has been in some pretty dire straits over the years in that sense - every penny counted. Now though, neither of those things is true. Clearly, our home results show that even though the atmosphere can be as flat as you like, the team have no problem in turning over pretty much any opponent. Financially, in spite of 10% year-on-year price rises, the money I hand over for my season ticket is practically an irrelevance compared with the money the club receives from television rights and corporate sponsorships. Even so, if I was to stop turning up because of this, there wouldn't be an empty blue seat like there would have been a few years ago - there will be a johnny-come-lately glory-hunting day-tripper waiting in the wings to take my place - and better still, unlike me he will probably buy food, drink and merchandise, to complete his "match day experience".
The reason the atmosphere is flat is because, really, there is nothing to get all that excited about. Winning a match against pretty much anyone used to be something to celebrate, but now, winning a match is merely expected; it is routine. We've moved onto bigger things - the only things worth celebrating now are trophies, or victories against potential rivals for the title.
I've stopped responding to these surveys sent out by the club because I have come to realise they aren't genuine - they are "market research", it's all about maximising revenue - i.e. taking money out of your pocket. From a footballing point of view, the atmosphere is clearly an irrelevance - we win pretty much every home game we play and normally it's by a decent margin. So why does the club give a hoot that the Etihad is like a library? The reason is because your day-tripping fan who pays a hefty premium for his ticket is being sold a lie. He is being sold the "match day experience" - he is expecting to see "world-class" football and a victory for his team - he gets that bit, but then he can watch that on the TV anyway, so what's the point in going to the game? The reason to go to the match, of course, is to be part of the high-adrenaline atmosphere that Premier League (TM) football is known around the world for... Be deafened by the noise! Feel the emotion! Be part of it! Except... that's all a crock of shit and pretty much always has been. United pioneered it, of course... "Old Trafford - The Theatre of Dreams" - can any proper United fan say that and not die a little inside? But that's the road we are heading down ourselves now.
Of course, the irony is that your day-tripping fan is going to contribute nothing to the atmosphere - they are going to be pretty passive. So the club is relying on you, the people who have been going for years, who know the songs, know the chants, know when to cheer and when to shout, to complete this part of the sales pitch for them. The day tripper goes home and tells all his chums about how great his experience was and then they'll all come along for a jolly good time and drop a couple of ton in the shop after the game for good measure.
Manchester City is more than a football club now; it is big business. Sheikh Mansour has given us trophies and world-class football, things that we were almost certainly never going to see without that "black swan" event in August 2008. However, he is not running a charity. He's got proper businessmen managing the club, people with corporate backgrounds, MBAs and a history of making millions. As much as we like to think of our club as some kind of permanent Abu Dhabi vanity project, the long term aim of Manchester City is to make Sheikh Mansour vast profits.
"More than a club" reminds me... "Més que un club". I went to see Barcelona when I was on holiday there in 2009. 60 euros for a ticket, paid for on a polished online system (in English) that allowed me to print out my ticket at home. I went along and saw a routine 2-0 win over Athletic Bilbao at the Camp Nou - the second of which was from a penalty awarded for a blatant dive by Iniesta. This is Barcelona... they don't need to win in that way, surely? The ground was full, the surroundings were rather grand, but the atmosphere was totally flat. It was like going to the theatre or something... it was alien to me; I didn't enjoy it.
A few days later, I went to see Espanyol take on Real Mallorca at the crumbling Olympic stadium. Espanyol were having a poor season - they had beaten Barcelona away, but they were bottom of the league and looking like a safe bet to go down. Unlike Barcelona tickets which were on sale all over the city, Espanyol tickets were nowhere to be seen. In the end, I found out the only place you could get them was (amazingly enough) from the ticket office at the ground. So up I went and paid my 30 euros. Espanyol were losing 2-1 and were down to ten men. With 20 minutes to go, they conceded a third. Half the crowd made for the exits. Immediately, Espanyol pulled one back. Then, with less than ten minutes to go, they equalised! The crowds that were on their way out came rushing back into the stadium and watched their team hold on to earn an unlikely point. They had passion, they celebrated... they were still bottom of the league and still going down, but it didn't matter! As a City fan who had seen nothing but mediocrity, it was like a second home - it was great! I loved it! Barcelona were United, Espanyol were City.
That season, Espanyol turned it around, winning 8 of the remaining 11 games to finish in 10th place. On the other hand, Barcelona won literally every competition they were in; La Liga by 9 points, the Copa del Rey, the Supercopa de Espana, the Champions League, the UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup.
City are trying to become Barcelona. In time, it will almost certainly happen - there's too much money behind the club for it not to. In doing so though, the club is going to lose it's old identity. It will claim not to, of course; in fact, the club's history will be part of the sales patter... "30,000 in the third-tier of English football, the most loyal fans in the world, be a part of it, #Together" - but for me, that's going to ring very hollow.
So, to bring this ramble to a conclusion, I do like watching world-class players in a sky blue shirt. It's great to see my team win championships - as disappointed as I was with my trip to see Barcelona, it's different when it's your own team. I'll keep going to the games and if I'm honest, I'll probably tolerate one or two more 10% price hikes over the coming years in order to see it all happen. But... I don't have the passion I did. I can't celebrate every win like I used to, because these wins don't have the same meaning any more - it has to be like that; winning home games has to be routine if we're going to win championships. It's one of the prices we pay for success.
I'm getting pissed off with being treated as a commodity by the club; I'm getting pissed off with being cajoled and expected to support my team in a particular way and I'm getting pissed off with the club trying to fake an atmosphere, be that through deafening musak before kick-off, plunging the stadium into darkness for 30 seconds, having some plonker try and lead me in a rendition of "blue moon" or whatever nonsense they come up with next. I've seen passionate support, I've been part of it - it's special. It doesn't happen every game. You can't engineer it, you can't fake it, you can't bottle it up and sell it. It has to be organic - if it happens, it happens. So, if there's one thing that will stop me going to the games, it will be a plastic football "experience". When going to the game ends up feeling like a total act, like being part of some kind of carefully choreographed sing-along, that's when I'll stop going, because then I really might as well watch it on the TV and have Martin Tyler lie to me about how great it all is and save myself the disappointment of actually being part of something so false.
(P.S. this is important where I normally hang around: it's a bap)
So, as a fan I am pretty passive. I will get irate and shout when decisions go against us and I will be a bit more vocal at the bigger games, but I'm not one for singing, chanting, or standing up, turning around and staring at the arse of the person who sits behind me while jumping up and down - like I say, I go to watch the football! I appreciate that for some of you, this means that I don't "get behind the team" and I am therefore a crap fan. You might be right on that - I'm afraid I can't get that wound up these days about how 11 millionaires have performed on a football field. There's more to my life than football.
Back in the days when we were shit, I felt like my vocal support made a difference. My little contribution towards a much greater "12th man" was an important reason to be at the match. Beyond that, my financial support was definitely needed; Manchester City has been in some pretty dire straits over the years in that sense - every penny counted. Now though, neither of those things is true. Clearly, our home results show that even though the atmosphere can be as flat as you like, the team have no problem in turning over pretty much any opponent. Financially, in spite of 10% year-on-year price rises, the money I hand over for my season ticket is practically an irrelevance compared with the money the club receives from television rights and corporate sponsorships. Even so, if I was to stop turning up because of this, there wouldn't be an empty blue seat like there would have been a few years ago - there will be a johnny-come-lately glory-hunting day-tripper waiting in the wings to take my place - and better still, unlike me he will probably buy food, drink and merchandise, to complete his "match day experience".
The reason the atmosphere is flat is because, really, there is nothing to get all that excited about. Winning a match against pretty much anyone used to be something to celebrate, but now, winning a match is merely expected; it is routine. We've moved onto bigger things - the only things worth celebrating now are trophies, or victories against potential rivals for the title.
I've stopped responding to these surveys sent out by the club because I have come to realise they aren't genuine - they are "market research", it's all about maximising revenue - i.e. taking money out of your pocket. From a footballing point of view, the atmosphere is clearly an irrelevance - we win pretty much every home game we play and normally it's by a decent margin. So why does the club give a hoot that the Etihad is like a library? The reason is because your day-tripping fan who pays a hefty premium for his ticket is being sold a lie. He is being sold the "match day experience" - he is expecting to see "world-class" football and a victory for his team - he gets that bit, but then he can watch that on the TV anyway, so what's the point in going to the game? The reason to go to the match, of course, is to be part of the high-adrenaline atmosphere that Premier League (TM) football is known around the world for... Be deafened by the noise! Feel the emotion! Be part of it! Except... that's all a crock of shit and pretty much always has been. United pioneered it, of course... "Old Trafford - The Theatre of Dreams" - can any proper United fan say that and not die a little inside? But that's the road we are heading down ourselves now.
Of course, the irony is that your day-tripping fan is going to contribute nothing to the atmosphere - they are going to be pretty passive. So the club is relying on you, the people who have been going for years, who know the songs, know the chants, know when to cheer and when to shout, to complete this part of the sales pitch for them. The day tripper goes home and tells all his chums about how great his experience was and then they'll all come along for a jolly good time and drop a couple of ton in the shop after the game for good measure.
Manchester City is more than a football club now; it is big business. Sheikh Mansour has given us trophies and world-class football, things that we were almost certainly never going to see without that "black swan" event in August 2008. However, he is not running a charity. He's got proper businessmen managing the club, people with corporate backgrounds, MBAs and a history of making millions. As much as we like to think of our club as some kind of permanent Abu Dhabi vanity project, the long term aim of Manchester City is to make Sheikh Mansour vast profits.
"More than a club" reminds me... "Més que un club". I went to see Barcelona when I was on holiday there in 2009. 60 euros for a ticket, paid for on a polished online system (in English) that allowed me to print out my ticket at home. I went along and saw a routine 2-0 win over Athletic Bilbao at the Camp Nou - the second of which was from a penalty awarded for a blatant dive by Iniesta. This is Barcelona... they don't need to win in that way, surely? The ground was full, the surroundings were rather grand, but the atmosphere was totally flat. It was like going to the theatre or something... it was alien to me; I didn't enjoy it.
A few days later, I went to see Espanyol take on Real Mallorca at the crumbling Olympic stadium. Espanyol were having a poor season - they had beaten Barcelona away, but they were bottom of the league and looking like a safe bet to go down. Unlike Barcelona tickets which were on sale all over the city, Espanyol tickets were nowhere to be seen. In the end, I found out the only place you could get them was (amazingly enough) from the ticket office at the ground. So up I went and paid my 30 euros. Espanyol were losing 2-1 and were down to ten men. With 20 minutes to go, they conceded a third. Half the crowd made for the exits. Immediately, Espanyol pulled one back. Then, with less than ten minutes to go, they equalised! The crowds that were on their way out came rushing back into the stadium and watched their team hold on to earn an unlikely point. They had passion, they celebrated... they were still bottom of the league and still going down, but it didn't matter! As a City fan who had seen nothing but mediocrity, it was like a second home - it was great! I loved it! Barcelona were United, Espanyol were City.
That season, Espanyol turned it around, winning 8 of the remaining 11 games to finish in 10th place. On the other hand, Barcelona won literally every competition they were in; La Liga by 9 points, the Copa del Rey, the Supercopa de Espana, the Champions League, the UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup.
City are trying to become Barcelona. In time, it will almost certainly happen - there's too much money behind the club for it not to. In doing so though, the club is going to lose it's old identity. It will claim not to, of course; in fact, the club's history will be part of the sales patter... "30,000 in the third-tier of English football, the most loyal fans in the world, be a part of it, #Together" - but for me, that's going to ring very hollow.
So, to bring this ramble to a conclusion, I do like watching world-class players in a sky blue shirt. It's great to see my team win championships - as disappointed as I was with my trip to see Barcelona, it's different when it's your own team. I'll keep going to the games and if I'm honest, I'll probably tolerate one or two more 10% price hikes over the coming years in order to see it all happen. But... I don't have the passion I did. I can't celebrate every win like I used to, because these wins don't have the same meaning any more - it has to be like that; winning home games has to be routine if we're going to win championships. It's one of the prices we pay for success.
I'm getting pissed off with being treated as a commodity by the club; I'm getting pissed off with being cajoled and expected to support my team in a particular way and I'm getting pissed off with the club trying to fake an atmosphere, be that through deafening musak before kick-off, plunging the stadium into darkness for 30 seconds, having some plonker try and lead me in a rendition of "blue moon" or whatever nonsense they come up with next. I've seen passionate support, I've been part of it - it's special. It doesn't happen every game. You can't engineer it, you can't fake it, you can't bottle it up and sell it. It has to be organic - if it happens, it happens. So, if there's one thing that will stop me going to the games, it will be a plastic football "experience". When going to the game ends up feeling like a total act, like being part of some kind of carefully choreographed sing-along, that's when I'll stop going, because then I really might as well watch it on the TV and have Martin Tyler lie to me about how great it all is and save myself the disappointment of actually being part of something so false.
(P.S. this is important where I normally hang around: it's a bap)
squirtyflower
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Welcome to the board, do we call you Colin or David?
Skashion
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So it can join atmosphere in the graveyard?CITY24/7 said:KILL THE CHEESE !!!
Quote from Marchie "I sit with my mum, dad, great uncle and grandad (who's been going to games since 1925)" So how olds your granddad then mate because if he was born on the Kippax on match day and has been attending since the day of his birth he would be 88 now,
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Marchie. I kind of see where your coming from, however I do think there is a tendency to look back at our years of struggle in the lower divisions with rose tinted glasses. Maine Road wasn't always in full voice rejoicing in the likes of fat bob Taylor et al!
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I missed that!Pieblue said:Quote from Marchie "I sit with my mum, dad, great uncle and grandad (who's been going to games since 1925)" So how olds your granddad then mate because if he was born on the Kippax on match day and has been attending since the day of his birth he would be 88 now,
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I'll bet you and your family were going as berserk as the rest of the stadium when Kun scored THAT goal, proving that you CAN do it when you want.Marchie said:First post; apologies, it's a long one. Allow me to introduce myself in the context of this thread. I've been a season ticket holder since the age of 5 (1989 season), I sat in the North Stand then and I sit in the South Stand now. I used to go to the games and come back hoarse, but these days I tend to sit and watch most games in relative silence. The main reason I go to the match is because it is a family occasion for us - I sit with my mum, dad, great uncle and grandad (who's been going to games since 1925); the other reason I go is to watch the football. My credentials as a City fan are sound.
So, as a fan I am pretty passive. I will get irate and shout when decisions go against us and I will be a bit more vocal at the bigger games, but I'm not one for singing, chanting, or standing up, turning around and staring at the arse of the person who sits behind me while jumping up and down - like I say, I go to watch the football! I appreciate that for some of you, this means that I don't "get behind the team" and I am therefore a crap fan. You might be right on that - I'm afraid I can't get that wound up these days about how 11 millionaires have performed on a football field. There's more to my life than football.
Back in the days when we were shit, I felt like my vocal support made a difference. My little contribution towards a much greater "12th man" was an important reason to be at the match. Beyond that, my financial support was definitely needed; Manchester City has been in some pretty dire straits over the years in that sense - every penny counted. Now though, neither of those things is true. Clearly, our home results show that even though the atmosphere can be as flat as you like, the team have no problem in turning over pretty much any opponent. Financially, in spite of 10% year-on-year price rises, the money I hand over for my season ticket is practically an irrelevance compared with the money the club receives from television rights and corporate sponsorships. Even so, if I was to stop turning up because of this, there wouldn't be an empty blue seat like there would have been a few years ago - there will be a johnny-come-lately glory-hunting day-tripper waiting in the wings to take my place - and better still, unlike me he will probably buy food, drink and merchandise, to complete his "match day experience".
The reason the atmosphere is flat is because, really, there is nothing to get all that excited about. Winning a match against pretty much anyone used to be something to celebrate, but now, winning a match is merely expected; it is routine. We've moved onto bigger things - the only things worth celebrating now are trophies, or victories against potential rivals for the title.
I've stopped responding to these surveys sent out by the club because I have come to realise they aren't genuine - they are "market research", it's all about maximising revenue - i.e. taking money out of your pocket. From a footballing point of view, the atmosphere is clearly an irrelevance - we win pretty much every home game we play and normally it's by a decent margin. So why does the club give a hoot that the Etihad is like a library? The reason is because your day-tripping fan who pays a hefty premium for his ticket is being sold a lie. He is being sold the "match day experience" - he is expecting to see "world-class" football and a victory for his team - he gets that bit, but then he can watch that on the TV anyway, so what's the point in going to the game? The reason to go to the match, of course, is to be part of the high-adrenaline atmosphere that Premier League (TM) football is known around the world for... Be deafened by the noise! Feel the emotion! Be part of it! Except... that's all a crock of shit and pretty much always has been. United pioneered it, of course... "Old Trafford - The Theatre of Dreams" - can any proper United fan say that and not die a little inside? But that's the road we are heading down ourselves now.
Of course, the irony is that your day-tripping fan is going to contribute nothing to the atmosphere - they are going to be pretty passive. So the club is relying on you, the people who have been going for years, who know the songs, know the chants, know when to cheer and when to shout, to complete this part of the sales pitch for them. The day tripper goes home and tells all his chums about how great his experience was and then they'll all come along for a jolly good time and drop a couple of ton in the shop after the game for good measure.
Manchester City is more than a football club now; it is big business. Sheikh Mansour has given us trophies and world-class football, things that we were almost certainly never going to see without that "black swan" event in August 2008. However, he is not running a charity. He's got proper businessmen managing the club, people with corporate backgrounds, MBAs and a history of making millions. As much as we like to think of our club as some kind of permanent Abu Dhabi vanity project, the long term aim of Manchester City is to make Sheikh Mansour vast profits.
"More than a club" reminds me... "Més que un club". I went to see Barcelona when I was on holiday there in 2009. 60 euros for a ticket, paid for on a polished online system (in English) that allowed me to print out my ticket at home. I went along and saw a routine 2-0 win over Athletic Bilbao at the Camp Nou - the second of which was from a penalty awarded for a blatant dive by Iniesta. This is Barcelona... they don't need to win in that way, surely? The ground was full, the surroundings were rather grand, but the atmosphere was totally flat. It was like going to the theatre or something... it was alien to me; I didn't enjoy it.
A few days later, I went to see Espanyol take on Real Mallorca at the crumbling Olympic stadium. Espanyol were having a poor season - they had beaten Barcelona away, but they were bottom of the league and looking like a safe bet to go down. Unlike Barcelona tickets which were on sale all over the city, Espanyol tickets were nowhere to be seen. In the end, I found out the only place you could get them was (amazingly enough) from the ticket office at the ground. So up I went and paid my 30 euros. Espanyol were losing 2-1 and were down to ten men. With 20 minutes to go, they conceded a third. Half the crowd made for the exits. Immediately, Espanyol pulled one back. Then, with less than ten minutes to go, they equalised! The crowds that were on their way out came rushing back into the stadium and watched their team hold on to earn an unlikely point. They had passion, they celebrated... they were still bottom of the league and still going down, but it didn't matter! As a City fan who had seen nothing but mediocrity, it was like a second home - it was great! I loved it! Barcelona were United, Espanyol were City.
That season, Espanyol turned it around, winning 8 of the remaining 11 games to finish in 10th place. On the other hand, Barcelona won literally every competition they were in; La Liga by 9 points, the Copa del Rey, the Supercopa de Espana, the Champions League, the UEFA Super Cup and the FIFA Club World Cup.
City are trying to become Barcelona. In time, it will almost certainly happen - there's too much money behind the club for it not to. In doing so though, the club is going to lose it's old identity. It will claim not to, of course; in fact, the club's history will be part of the sales patter... "30,000 in the third-tier of English football, the most loyal fans in the world, be a part of it, #Together" - but for me, that's going to ring very hollow.
So, to bring this ramble to a conclusion, I do like watching world-class players in a sky blue shirt. It's great to see my team win championships - as disappointed as I was with my trip to see Barcelona, it's different when it's your own team. I'll keep going to the games and if I'm honest, I'll probably tolerate one or two more 10% price hikes over the coming years in order to see it all happen. But... I don't have the passion I did. I can't celebrate every win like I used to, because these wins don't have the same meaning any more - it has to be like that; winning home games has to be routine if we're going to win championships. It's one of the prices we pay for success.
I'm getting pissed off with being treated as a commodity by the club; I'm getting pissed off with being cajoled and expected to support my team in a particular way and I'm getting pissed off with the club trying to fake an atmosphere, be that through deafening musak before kick-off, plunging the stadium into darkness for 30 seconds, having some plonker try and lead me in a rendition of "blue moon" or whatever nonsense they come up with next. I've seen passionate support, I've been part of it - it's special. It doesn't happen every game. You can't engineer it, you can't fake it, you can't bottle it up and sell it. It has to be organic - if it happens, it happens. So, if there's one thing that will stop me going to the games, it will be a plastic football "experience". When going to the game ends up feeling like a total act, like being part of some kind of carefully choreographed sing-along, that's when I'll stop going, because then I really might as well watch it on the TV and have Martin Tyler lie to me about how great it all is and save myself the disappointment of actually being part of something so false.
(P.S. this is important where I normally hang around: it's a bap)
squirtyflower said:Welcome to the board, do we call you Colin or David?
David... Colin is well before my time.
Pieblue said:So how olds your granddad then mate because if he was born on the Kippax on match day and has been attending since the day of his birth he would be 88 now,
Your maths is very sound sir. My grandad is 93.
Churchlawtonblue said:Marchie. I kind of see where your coming from, however I do think there is a tendency to look back at our years of struggle in the lower divisions with rose tinted glasses. Maine Road wasn't always in full voice rejoicing in the likes of fat bob Taylor et al!
I totally agree with you and I think I imply that in my post. A decent atmosphere at a football match only really happens on special occasions, it's not something that can be forced to happen at every single game. I think in the past it happened more often than it does now because we were the underdogs so much of the time - you didn't go to every game expecting to see good football or with the expectation of victory, so if either looked like it might happen then it would inspire the crowd to make some noise. These days, both of those things are not special - they are normal - and the atmosphere is naturally going to reflect that.
I'm no cynic said:I'll bet you and your family were going as berserk as the rest of the stadium when Kun scored THAT goal, proving that you CAN do it when you want.
Personally, I couldn't believe that I'd just seen Manchester City win the league. My reaction wasn't to go beserk; in fact, I stood there and cried!
Your point is illustrative however - the atmosphere when that third goal went in was raw emotion. We'd dropped two home points in the league all that season, all we had to do was beat some relegation fodder and the league would be ours. For the first 45 minutes, it was all routine - 1-0 up and cruising, get the champers out. Then, we contrived to do our best to mess it up. Just when it looked like Typical City was well and truly back, Aguero scores a 93rd minute winner and we win our first league title in 44 years, ahead of our massively more successful local rivals, on frigging goal difference!
Surely to God you can see how that set of circumstances differs from the third goal in a routine victory over Swansea City at the end of November? Do you really want and expect people to react like we've just won the league every time City score a goal? That's not support, that's not "getting behind the team"... it's totally and utterly false. If your (and the club's) concept of a decent atmosphere is for 44,000 people to fake an orgasm every time the ball hits the back of the net and I am going to be derided for not being "part of it", then that's the point at which I'll leave you all to it.
Phil Meup
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The club must be absolutely amazed by some of the negative responses on here!
Fans complain the atmosphere is crap so the club try & do something about it - what a bunch of bastards!
Obviously it's a difficult thing: you can't really manufacture atmosphere but I get the impression the club are trying to improve things for the fans. I actually enjoyed seeing Jason Manford before the game in City Square & on the pitch.
Before you start you I'm not a cash-loaded JcL - I've had my season ticket for nearly 30 years and tbh, I don't really miss being beaten at Bury. Times have changed!
Fans complain the atmosphere is crap so the club try & do something about it - what a bunch of bastards!
Obviously it's a difficult thing: you can't really manufacture atmosphere but I get the impression the club are trying to improve things for the fans. I actually enjoyed seeing Jason Manford before the game in City Square & on the pitch.
Before you start you I'm not a cash-loaded JcL - I've had my season ticket for nearly 30 years and tbh, I don't really miss being beaten at Bury. Times have changed!