Stevan Jovetic

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sam-caddick said:
Ray78 said:
FantasyIreland said:
Signing him wouldn't solve the issue of our lack of a clinician and I dont see him as a player that would immediately improve our first 11,Cavani most definitely would,on both counts.

Try for Suarez or maybe Martinez or go with what we have.

Cavani is an ideal striker for teams who counter attack, I am not so sure he will suit the style of play we are going to adopt. For the price Cavani is going for it is one hell of a risk. Suarez is finished in England and Real Madrid is his destination. Martinez is a good option, but it depends on how much Porto will ask for him.


Porto rinse their buyers, it would not suprise me them saying €30m take it or leave it.

That's even more of a risk that Cavani in my opinion, look at United and their big money dealings from Portugal.

I would rather he go somewhere else to prove it then we consider him.
tbh, if Cavani isn't good enough to make you think it isn't a risk, then there is pretty much no striker that isn't a risk. I feel Martinez is a good option as he is in his prime, strong, physical, looks like he would be suited to the PL. If Forza's info is true that we are not in Cavani anymore (which is a big possibility with that massive price tag and the fact that maybe his #1 option is Madrid) then there aren't many options. Do we even need this clinical striker though? Look at Bayern, Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro are hardly the biggest names in the striker department, and the most that any one of them got this season was like 21 (Mandzu). Jovetic and Martinez both seem like decent options for our striker purchase this summer, both would be far less expensive than Cavani as well.
 
NoahCity said:
sam-caddick said:
Ray78 said:
Cavani is an ideal striker for teams who counter attack, I am not so sure he will suit the style of play we are going to adopt. For the price Cavani is going for it is one hell of a risk. Suarez is finished in England and Real Madrid is his destination. Martinez is a good option, but it depends on how much Porto will ask for him.


Porto rinse their buyers, it would not suprise me them saying €30m take it or leave it.

That's even more of a risk that Cavani in my opinion, look at United and their big money dealings from Portugal.

I would rather he go somewhere else to prove it then we consider him.
tbh, if Cavani isn't good enough to make you think it isn't a risk, then there is pretty much no striker that isn't a risk. I feel Martinez is a good option as he is in his prime, strong, physical, looks like he would be suited to the PL. If Forza's info is true that we are not in Cavani anymore (which is a big possibility with that massive price tag and the fact that maybe his #1 option is Madrid) then there aren't many options. Do we even need this clinical striker though? Look at Bayern, Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro are hardly the biggest names in the striker department, and the most that any one of them got this season was like 21 (Mandzu). Jovetic and Martinez both seem like decent options for our striker purchase this summer, both would be far less expensive than Cavani as well.
Bayern have Robben, Ribery, Muller etc as well. We don't have goalscoring midfielders like them.
 
pee dubya said:
NoahCity said:
sam-caddick said:
Porto rinse their buyers, it would not suprise me them saying €30m take it or leave it.

That's even more of a risk that Cavani in my opinion, look at United and their big money dealings from Portugal.

I would rather he go somewhere else to prove it then we consider him.
tbh, if Cavani isn't good enough to make you think it isn't a risk, then there is pretty much no striker that isn't a risk. I feel Martinez is a good option as he is in his prime, strong, physical, looks like he would be suited to the PL. If Forza's info is true that we are not in Cavani anymore (which is a big possibility with that massive price tag and the fact that maybe his #1 option is Madrid) then there aren't many options. Do we even need this clinical striker though? Look at Bayern, Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro are hardly the biggest names in the striker department, and the most that any one of them got this season was like 21 (Mandzu). Jovetic and Martinez both seem like decent options for our striker purchase this summer, both would be far less expensive than Cavani as well.
Bayern have Robben, Ribery, Muller etc as well. We don't have goalscoring midfielders like them.
Yaya and Fernandinho are both capable of 10 goals. Silva, Nasri, Milner, Isco (if he comes which looks likely) Rodwell are all capable of scoring and suffered from poor form, injuries and cautious tactics.
 
sam-caddick said:
Ray78 said:
FantasyIreland said:
Signing him wouldn't solve the issue of our lack of a clinician and I dont see him as a player that would immediately improve our first 11,Cavani most definitely would,on both counts.

Try for Suarez or maybe Martinez or go with what we have.

Cavani is an ideal striker for teams who counter attack, I am not so sure he will suit the style of play we are going to adopt. For the price Cavani is going for it is one hell of a risk. Suarez is finished in England and Real Madrid is his destination. Martinez is a good option, but it depends on how much Porto will ask for him.


Porto rinse their buyers, it would not suprise me them saying €30m take it or leave it.

That's even more of a risk that Cavani in my opinion, look at United and their big money dealings from Portugal.

I would rather he go somewhere else to prove it then we consider him.

You are probably right on Martinez plus he is a year older than Cavani and Porto might get ideas that he is worth the same as Cavani. As for Jovetic it is versatility that impresses me, his finishing can be worked on similar to what Arsenal did with van Persie. If we are interested and sign him for £25m then it would be very good business from us.
 
NoahCity said:
pee dubya said:
NoahCity said:
tbh, if Cavani isn't good enough to make you think it isn't a risk, then there is pretty much no striker that isn't a risk. I feel Martinez is a good option as he is in his prime, strong, physical, looks like he would be suited to the PL. If Forza's info is true that we are not in Cavani anymore (which is a big possibility with that massive price tag and the fact that maybe his #1 option is Madrid) then there aren't many options. Do we even need this clinical striker though? Look at Bayern, Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro are hardly the biggest names in the striker department, and the most that any one of them got this season was like 21 (Mandzu). Jovetic and Martinez both seem like decent options for our striker purchase this summer, both would be far less expensive than Cavani as well.
Bayern have Robben, Ribery, Muller etc as well. We don't have goalscoring midfielders like them.
Yaya and Fernandinho are both capable of 10 goals. Silva, Nasri, Milner, Isco (if he comes which looks likely) Rodwell are all capable of scoring and suffered from poor form, injuries and cautious tactics.
Silva, Yaya, Milner, Nasri and Isco have each reached double figures once in their careers. Fernandinho twice, but not for the last five seasons or so.

Robben, Muller, and Ribery have done it every season they've played for Bayern. Gotze just did it for Dortmund. Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Shakiri and Martinez got 30 between them.

We don't have goalscoring midfielders like Bayern. Being capable of scoring is totally different to being reliable.
 
pee dubya said:
NoahCity said:
pee dubya said:
Bayern have Robben, Ribery, Muller etc as well. We don't have goalscoring midfielders like them.
Yaya and Fernandinho are both capable of 10 goals. Silva, Nasri, Milner, Isco (if he comes which looks likely) Rodwell are all capable of scoring and suffered from poor form, injuries and cautious tactics.
Silva, Yaya, Milner, Nasri and Isco have each reached double figures once in their careers. Fernandinho twice, but not for the last five seasons or so.

Robben, Muller, and Ribery have done it every season they've played for Bayern. Gotze just did it for Dortmund. Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Shakiri and Martinez got 30 between them.

We don't have goalscoring midfielders like Bayern. Being capable of scoring is totally different to being reliable.

Some of the players you mention there are more like forwards than midfielders.

Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Shakiri and Martinez scored 20 league goals between them in Bayern's title winning side.

Nasri, Silva, Toure, & Milner also scored 20 in our title winning side. Adam Johnson got 6 & he was pretty much a sub.

Bayern have got more attacking mids than us, we had more strikers. You can only play 11.

If you compare Robben & Ribery to Tevez & Balotelli, then the comparison looks a little more balanced.
 
Neville Kneville said:
pee dubya said:
NoahCity said:
Yaya and Fernandinho are both capable of 10 goals. Silva, Nasri, Milner, Isco (if he comes which looks likely) Rodwell are all capable of scoring and suffered from poor form, injuries and cautious tactics.
Silva, Yaya, Milner, Nasri and Isco have each reached double figures once in their careers. Fernandinho twice, but not for the last five seasons or so.

Robben, Muller, and Ribery have done it every season they've played for Bayern. Gotze just did it for Dortmund. Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Shakiri and Martinez got 30 between them.

We don't have goalscoring midfielders like Bayern. Being capable of scoring is totally different to being reliable.

Some of the players you mention there are more like forwards than midfielders.

Kroos, Schweinsteiger, Shakiri and Martinez scored 20 league goals between them in Bayern's title winning side.

Nasri, Silva, Toure, & Milner also scored 20 in our title winning side. Adam Johnson got 6 & he was pretty much a sub.

Bayern have got more attacking mids than us, we had more strikers. You can only play 11.

If you compare Robben & Ribery to Tevez & Balotelli, then the comparison looks a little more balanced.

It does not work like this either as you mix central and offensive midfield...

If you take the strikers. Mandzukic, Pizarro, Gomez - occupying the one striker position in the 4-2-3-1 scored together 32.

Müller, Ribery, Robben, Kroos and Shaqiri - who occupied the three offensive midfield positions -- scored together 38 - that is 12.7 goals per position in the offensive midfield.

Schweinsteiger, Gustavo, Martinez, Tymoschuk, Can - all part of the central or defensive midfield - 2 positions in the 4-2-3-1 - scored together 16 - that is 8 per position.

The defenders and fullbacks scored 8 goals together - that is 2 goals per position.

So Bayern's striker scored 32 goals.
Each of the three offensive midfielders scored 12.7 goals - or together 38.
Each of the two defensive/Central midfielders scored 8 goals - or together 16.
Each of the four defenders scored 2 goals - or together 8.
 
NoahCity said:
pee dubya said:
NoahCity said:
tbh, if Cavani isn't good enough to make you think it isn't a risk, then there is pretty much no striker that isn't a risk. I feel Martinez is a good option as he is in his prime, strong, physical, looks like he would be suited to the PL. If Forza's info is true that we are not in Cavani anymore (which is a big possibility with that massive price tag and the fact that maybe his #1 option is Madrid) then there aren't many options. Do we even need this clinical striker though? Look at Bayern, Mandzukic, Gomez and Pizarro are hardly the biggest names in the striker department, and the most that any one of them got this season was like 21 (Mandzu). Jovetic and Martinez both seem like decent options for our striker purchase this summer, both would be far less expensive than Cavani as well.
Bayern have Robben, Ribery, Muller etc as well. We don't have goalscoring midfielders like them.
Yaya and Fernandinho are both capable of 10 goals. Silva, Nasri, Milner, Isco (if he comes which looks likely) Rodwell are all capable of scoring and suffered from poor form, injuries and cautious tactics.

Took the words out of my mouth. Let's hope there will be a lot more goals from midfield under Pellegrini
 
Jovetic, while nowhere near as prolific as Cavani, is much more versatile. If we are to play a 4-3-3 system next season (Ferran and Txiki's preferred formation) then Cavani is not a realistic option. Signing him would mean either dropping Aguero to the bench, or playing him out wide, where he's far less effective.

Jovetic is capable of playing as a wide forward or behind the striker. This would mean he could play wide of Aguero as part of a front three, behind him in a 4-2-3-1, or alongside him in a 4-2-2-2. All of this for half the price of Cavani. Having said that, I think signing Cavani would win us the league, Jovetic may struggle in the Premier League and would certainly be a gamble.

In short, we should have signed Hazard when we had the chance.
 
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