Stop abusing the Hughes out brigade - we have a valid point

[stockportblue]

Allyboy here the OP,

Ok seems to have ignited a few flames of passion this one, and I'm glad it has.
What I can deduct from 99% of the replies is that NO-ONE has picked out any positives or strong pioints about MH performance this year as our manager. In fact the salient points are ones of critscm about tactics, player's not putting ashift in, passion, substitutons, away form etc..
His strong work and fitness ethic that should have made us stronger in the latter half of the season, well thats just fresh air now.
Thats the whole point here. Stability/not sacking managers HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS PERFORMANCE and what people think of it. Stability is irrelevant when it comes to MH assessment. Its so easy to say we need be like Arse/wenger and scum/baconface with regards to length of management. Truth is you have to go with what you see and where you see the team developing.

I hope he proves me wrong, but I have seen little positive effect from his tenure so far.
in fact I see the opposite all too often.
Only time will tell, or is it running out for him?

Time is running out if numpties like you havent got enough between their ears to understand the bigger picture.Im a bit harsh on you maybe but i can see too much short term thinking in your thoughts that will screw the club up in the near term when a bit of patience and understanding of the bigger picture will reap rewards.

 

[bizzbo]

What I can deduct from 99% of the replies is that NO-ONE has picked out any positives or strong pioints about MH performance this year as our manager. In fact the salient points are ones of critscm about tactics, player's not putting ashift in, passion, substitutons, away form etc..

what i can deduce is that some people dont wanna listen to the positive points that are made. they've been made many times before, I wont repeat them now. You arent so much making a balanced assesment as you are building an argument to support your feeling that he should go, which is fair enough, but you cant honestly tell me that there are no positives from the last 6 months. if you want to build a strong argument, you have to look at the whole picture.

likewise, stability is not an issue if if you dont want it to be. it's a belief, that some people have, and others dont, that constant change in itself is a poor way to procede. both sides of the argument can be made, because it comes down to your experience of football and the wider world. think about your work, would you have a better chance of moving onwards and upwards if you changed jobs every year, year after year? sure, sometimes it's neccesary. sometimes its just a backwards step to leave, the easy way out because every job is frustrating and the grass always looks greener. and how do you build the trust, show people what you can do, and get them to support you if you are ready to jump ship at the first opportunity. why is this situation any different? better to accept that there IS something in the argument, because otherwise people wouldnt make it, but illustrate why you think change in this scenario is neccesary.

 

[browny33]

Time is running out if numpties like you havent got enough between their ears to understand the bigger picture.Im a bit harsh on you maybe but i can see too much short term thinking in your thoughts that will screw the club up in the near term when a bit of patience and understanding of the bigger picture will reap rewards.

What 'bigger picture'? Try not talking in cliches.

I thought the general idea was to win games of football whilst building what you hope to be an half decent team. Or are we to expect a sudden epiphony and we'll carry all before us when the players see the light and realise that MH is the messiah, when he's just a very very naughty boy!

 

[bizzbo]

anyway it's throroughly rubbish that you should post a thread titled 'dont abuse us - we have a valid point' and then repeatedly not accept that anyone elses points are valid in the slightest

 

[allyboy]

What I can deduct from 99% of the replies is that NO-ONE has picked out any positives or strong pioints about MH performance this year as our manager. In fact the salient points are ones of critscm about tactics, player's not putting ashift in, passion, substitutons, away form etc..

what i can deduce is that some people dont wanna listen to the positive points that are made. they've been made many times before, I wont repeat them now. You arent so much making a balanced assesment as you are building an argument to support your feeling that he should go, which is fair enough, but you cant honestly tell me that there are no positives from the last 6 months. if you want to build a strong argument, you have to look at the whole picture.

likewise, stability is not an issue if if you dont want it to be. it's a belief, that some people have, and others dont, that constant change in itself is a poor way to procede. both sides of the argument can be made, because it comes down to your experience of football and the wider world. think about your work, would you have a better chance of moving onwards and upwards if you changed jobs every year, year after year? sure, sometimes it's neccesary. sometimes its just a backwards step to leave, the easy way out because every job is frustrating and the grass always looks greener. and how do you build the trust, show people what you can do, and get them to support you if you are ready to jump ship at the first opportunity. why is this situation any different? better to accept that there IS something in the argument, because otherwise people wouldnt make it, but illustrate why you think change in this scenario is neccesary.

Fair point made Bizzbo, but you can see my grievance with people like Stockportblue who just call people "numpties" thats the abuse I'm talking about.
Change all the time is not good, and we have had way too much down the years. i'm 37 and have been going to City since I was in nappies (not still in them by the way).
So I've seen how the ridiculous 80's and 90's have been for managment of our club.
However, the positives don't outweigh the negs with MH in my opinion, he promotes himself as a hard taskmaster and physical coach, not sure he's proven any of that in his first season.
Yes his signings have been good on paper but they haven't looked that good as our team.
So, do we stick with him for the sake of not changing, that for me would be a crazy notion if the club is not progressing on the field when all is moving forward elsewhere.
How long would you give him? surely another season of mediocracy is unacceptable?
I just feel his overall impact on the club has been completely and utterly underwhelming and given the good feeling about our new found wealth and more importantly - optmimsm, he just doesn't fit the bill. But hey, Baconface is hardly sports personality of the decade, so I may be wrong. I'm big and ugly enough to take the flack, just not stupid abuse.

 

[moomba]

People seem to be equating us having this money with suddenly, from years of dross, going on to win trophies overnight.

That claim gets repeated daily on here, but I doubt theres more than a handful that had any expectation (as opposed to hope) that we would win anything this season.

 

[chesterguy]

Let us be honest who out of our current squad with get into a top 4 team

Given - YES
Richards - NO
Dunne - NO
Onuha - NO
Bridge - YES

Kompany - YES
De Jong - NO

SWP - YES
Ireland - YES
Robinho - YES

Bellamy - NO

MH had 1 day plus the notoriously difficult January window to change things. It is clear to me that half the team are not good enough. We lack a top quality striker ala Drogba, Torres, Adebayor, Rooney and that the defence is not strong enough. If I am still saying the same things after the next couple of transfer windows then fair enough he should go but now is not the time to get rid

 

[moomba]

MH had 1 day plus the notoriously difficult January window to change things.

He had the entire summer (where he bought Kompany, Zabaleta and SWP) plus the notoriously difficult January to change things.

He spent £100m+ during that period.

Thats not enough to take us to the top, but it is certainly enough to expect some improvement from last season where we managed 55 points with a worse squad.

 

[Danamy]

I think this thread alone tells you why Hughes must go in the summer!!
I'll hold my hands up and admit i've been in the Hughes must stay camp all season, craving for stability at the club, success etc, but.......
I've never seen City fans divided so much and it's not healthy to take the club forward.
I took my 8 year old son to Arsenal last week and i was disgusted in the way the fans were so divided and that it nearly come to blows a few times, my nipper shouldn't be experiencing that at a game?
The thing is as long as he's at the club this will not change, he was always going to find it hard to win some of the fans over given he played for the rags for starters so the away results and money spent has just added fuel to the fire.
In his defence though i would just add this....the people that are using the money spent arguement remember the prices he's paying are OVER the odds.
The players he's bought on a normal market he probs would of only spent half the amount......with our new riches we'll have to get used to it regardless who's in charge!!

We need the fans brought together again to take the club forward to search for the success we deserve!!

 

[PoolHustler]

MH had 1 day plus the notoriously difficult January window to change things.

He had the entire summer (where he bought Kompany, Zabaleta and SWP) plus the notoriously difficult January to change things.

He spent £100m+ during that period.

Thats not enough to take us to the top, but it is certainly enough to expect some improvement from last season where we managed 55 points with a worse squad.

Kompahy,SWP,Zabaleta were all bought after August 22nd proberly around the time the sheikh bought the club, so to say Hughes had the entire summer to bring in the top quality players that were needed when only a month earlier there were rumours of a fire sale is way off the mark to be honest. And like you say the January window is notoriously hard to bring in the players you want but still managed to bring in two diamonds in Given & De Jong.

I would give him the whole of the summer to bring the players he wants and then see where we are this time next year, if there's no improvement in the teams performance then's maybe the time to bring in a new manager but definitely not now, after all our owners haven't become extremely rich by making knee-jerk reactions!