Stop fracking

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

Not sure I can go into all the problems associated with managing and storing nuclear waste do you know the fundamentals? I know there alternatives and funding should have been put in place but it wasn't and we are where we are

No, I'm with you on NP mate. You said the 'problem exists here and now', I was simply asking what problem?

All the lights are still on. There are alternatives to fracking and NP that we could pursue, I don't but into these false dichotomies lots of people like to throw out routinely.

 

[andyhinch]

No, I'm with you on NP mate. You said the 'problem exists here and now', I was simply asking what problem?

All the lights are still on. There are alternatives to fracking and NP that we could pursue, I don't but into these false dichotomies lots of people like to throw out routinely.

The NP stations are getting old and need replacing a long process and unfortunately we need the help of the French these days, we're getting to the stage when we'll be using more energy than we're producing

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

The NP stations are getting old and need replacing a long process and unfortunately we need the help of the French these days, we're getting to the stage when we'll be using more energy than we're producing

We need to modernise the grid. Forget NP, and focus on things like solar. The technology is advancing all the time and continues to grow more efficient and cost effective with every passing year.

Too many fingers in the NP pie for us to move away from it though.

One thing that really disgusts me is that we're providing enormous subsidies to foreign corporations to build these plants, and yet if there's ever a major accident it's the taxpayers that are liable. We're the ones who get fucked, financially and the complete environmental devastation with it. Not to mention how all recent NPP builds go way over budget, and that too is a cost to the taxpayer.

I recall reading something not so long ago about a Chinese engineer stating how our technology and safety procedures etc were well ahead of the Chinese when it came to NPPs. And they're the ones being entrusted to be build new plants at Hinkley.

And all the while we get these promises about how the safety is guaranteed, there will be no subsidies, and that these foreign corporations will provide jobs to local people (when the vast majority of their contractors and employees come from their own countries).

Not to mention the waste burden that we still have absolutely no idea what to do with, no long term solution, and it's just going to be passed down onto future generations to deal with.

It really is an utterly repulsive industry.

 

[andyhinch]

We need to modernise the grid. Forget NP, and focus on things like solar. The technology is advancing all the time and continues to grow more efficient and cost effective with every passing year.

Too many fingers in the NP pie for us to move away from it though.

One thing that really disgusts me is that we're providing enormous subsidies to foreign corporations to build these plants, and yet if there's ever a major accident it's the taxpayers that are liable. We're the ones who get fucked, financially and the complete environmental devastation with it. Not to mention how all recent NPP builds go way over budget, and that too is a cost to the taxpayer.

I recall reading something not so long ago about a Chinese engineer stating how our technology and safety procedures etc were well ahead of the Chinese when it came to NPPs. And they're the ones being entrusted to be build new plants at Hinkley.

And all the while we get these promises about how the safety is guaranteed, there will be no subsidies, and that these foreign corporations will provide jobs to local people (when the vast majority of their contractors and employees come from their own countries).

Not to mention the waste burden that we still have absolutely no idea what to do with, no long term solution, and it's just going to be passed down onto future generations to deal with.

It really is an utterly repulsive industry.

I've worked in it for 30 years, it's been interesting

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

I've worked in it for 30 years, it's been interesting

I'm sure mate! Any interesting tales you'd be happy to share?

We're already spending tens of billions attempting to decommission and decontaminate (as much is possible) existing NPPs and beaches they've contaminated on the British Isles.

One of the most disturbing things I've seen in recent years was the leaked pictures of the open air spent fuel pool at Sellafield, seagulls and birds literally bathing in it:

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-nuclear-radioactive-risk-storage-ponds-fears

Those birds will be in people's gardens, dining away at your bird table in leafy Cumbria.

The industry is utterly reprehensible as far as I'm concerned, corrupt to the core and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the environment or the health and safety of the public.

 

[SWP's back]

I'm sure mate! Any interesting tales you'd be happy to share?

We're already spending tens of billions attempting to decommission and decontaminate (as much is possible) existing NPPs and beaches they've contaminated on the British Isles.

One of the most disturbing things I've seen in recent years was the leaked pictures of the open air spent fuel pool at Sellafield, seagulls and birds literally bathing in it:

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-nuclear-radioactive-risk-storage-ponds-fears

Those birds will be in people's gardens, dining away at your bird table in leafy Cumbria.

The industry is utterly reprehensible as far as I'm concerned, corrupt to the core and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the environment or the health and safety of the public.

Poor fuckers.

But where are the flamingos?

 

[west didsblue]

I'm sure mate! Any interesting tales you'd be happy to share?

We're already spending tens of billions attempting to decommission and decontaminate (as much is possible) existing NPPs and beaches they've contaminated on the British Isles.

One of the most disturbing things I've seen in recent years was the leaked pictures of the open air spent fuel pool at Sellafield, seagulls and birds literally bathing in it:

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-nuclear-radioactive-risk-storage-ponds-fears

Those birds will be in people's gardens, dining away at your bird table in leafy Cumbria.

The industry is utterly reprehensible as far as I'm concerned, corrupt to the core and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the environment or the health and safety of the public.

If you're worried about birds, you should be arguing against wind power which kills tens of thousands of them.

If you're ruling out gas from fracking and nuclear power, the only alternative is to import vast amounts of energy which really isn't a great idea for the long term for numerous reasons. Renewables will only ever provide a small percentage of the overall requirement.

 

[Mustard Dave]

I'm sure mate! Any interesting tales you'd be happy to share?

We're already spending tens of billions attempting to decommission and decontaminate (as much is possible) existing NPPs and beaches they've contaminated on the British Isles.

One of the most disturbing things I've seen in recent years was the leaked pictures of the open air spent fuel pool at Sellafield, seagulls and birds literally bathing in it:

http://www.theguardian.com/environm...-nuclear-radioactive-risk-storage-ponds-fears

Those birds will be in people's gardens, dining away at your bird table in leafy Cumbria.

The industry is utterly reprehensible as far as I'm concerned, corrupt to the core and they couldn't give a flying fuck about the environment or the health and safety of the public.

Why do you think the presence of seagulls is dangerous?

 

[BlueTG]

Think of the flamingos at Flamingo Land, what's going to happen to them?!

Poor fuckers.

But where are the flamingos?

Took our classes from our school on a flamingo land zoo keeper day experience the other month. Water poisoning got them already I reckon, not one to be seen.

 

[RichardDunneOwnGoal]

If you're worried about birds, you should be arguing against wind power which kills tens of thousands of them.

If you're ruling out gas from fracking and nuclear power, the only alternative is to import vast amounts of energy which really isn't a great idea for the long term for numerous reasons. Renewables will only ever provide a small percentage of the overall requirement.

I'm not worried about birds, couldn't give a flying fuck about birds. You misunderstand.

I'm worried about them swimming in a highly radioactive fucking spent fuel, that's crumbling at the seams full to the brim with decades old fuel rods that have literally eroded into sludge, becoming heavily contaminated with radioisotopes, and then redistributing such contamination wherever they then choose to fuck off to.

That could be outside the local chippy, or in your back garden.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/55612.stm

There are alternatives to NP, they just don't have the financial backing or vested interests of people with influence behind them like that industry has.