Strike on 30th June

[Blue Maverick]

In my wife's school only 3 teachers voted yes to a strike. The rest either said no or didn't bother. Still, the 3 that will strike will be on the gates and the rest will be working as usual.

The parents have been told that it's 'Business as Usual'.

I guess that's the way it should be. Those that want to strike can do so, while those that don't want to strike aren't forced to.

Yep agree with this but then those that don't should be turfed out the union and any new agreement that is reached they should not be entitled to.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Christine Blower NUT leader accepts inflation busting pay deal. Another union nose in the trough then. The Crowman's also getting more comfortable by the hour.
Now then remind us who pays for these £100k+ occupants of the Ivory Tower.

well you certainly don't

it's the private sector that does.

It's their membership that does. The very people whose best interests they purport to hold true and dear.

 

[kronkonite]

It might be worth pointing out that unison ,unite and gmb represent private sector workers to
as public services become privatised unions maintain their profile by continuing to represent

out sourced groups

Public sector unions are therefore standing up for the pension rights of private sector workers to

-- Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:54 am --

Ah, well, this 'bankrupt model' has been with the human race since the dawn of time. Your model collapsed in a far shorter time frame, so it's not entirely beyond the realms of possibilty that it does have the edge, somewhat.

complete bollocks this bankrupt system has survived through ruination of the ecosystem,colonialism, adventurism, imperialism not to mention lackeys such as yourself cow towing to every Times headline

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It might be worth pointing out that unison ,unite and gmb represent private sector workers to
as public services become privatised unions maintain their profile by continuing to represent

out sourced groups

Public sector unions are therefore standing up for the pension rights of private sector workers to

-- Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:54 am --

Ah, well, this 'bankrupt model' has been with the human race since the dawn of time. Your model collapsed in a far shorter time frame, so it's not entirely beyond the realms of possibilty that it does have the edge, somewhat.

complete bollocks this bankrupt system has survived through ruination of the ecosystem,colonialism, adventurism, imperialism not to mention lackeys such as yourself cow towing to every Times headline

The irony here is breathtaking.'Survived' is what it has done, as you have just reiterated it. Lackey's, as you describe, were far more in numerous in the Soviet model you patently adore, albeit given the sobriquet 'Comrades.'
Nobody in their right minds is wishing for a return of the commie paradise, you obviously espouse, but then again a right mind is a parodox of a left one.

 

[Anonymous]

Christine Blower NUT leader accepts inflation busting pay deal. Another union nose in the trough then. The Crowman's also getting more comfortable by the hour.
Now then remind us who pays for these £100k+ occupants of the Ivory Tower.

well you certainly don't

it's the private sector that does.

It's their membership that does. The very people whose best interests they purport to hold true and dear.

sorry, i got you confused with law74.

 

[BimboBob]

In my wife's school only 3 teachers voted yes to a strike. The rest either said no or didn't bother. Still, the 3 that will strike will be on the gates and the rest will be working as usual.

The parents have been told that it's 'Business as Usual'.

I guess that's the way it should be. Those that want to strike can do so, while those that don't want to strike aren't forced to.

Yep agree with this but then those that don't should be turfed out the union and any new agreement that is reached they should not be entitled to.

Erm...what? A new agreement set by 30% of the workforce aimed at 100% of them?

Look at us, we are in a small group but we can negociate pay rises and you can't...ner ner ne ner neeer.

How about scrapping the Teachers Unions seeing the majority can't be arsed with them?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

well you certainly don't

it's the private sector that does.

It's their membership that does. The very people whose best interests they purport to hold true and dear.

sorry, i got you confused with law74.

He's my niece.

 

[Blue Maverick]

@BImboBob if those people can't be arsed to turn up to meetings and vote then why are they in the union, the only reason is so they can use them for disciplinary reasons and nothing else, if they can't be arsed supporting the union then why should the union bother with them. If the union recommends action and you are in it you have an obligation to vote, just like a general election if you don't vote then don't come moaning to me about the way the country is run, you have a say in changing things so bloody do it. 30% will lose money so 100% can reap the benefits that's not good either, if those people don't want to strike fair enough but if the ones that do get a better deal then they are the only ones who should reap the rewards, easily done by giving them different contracts.
This has been done recently in my job were only the people who paid to bring legal action against the fire authority won compensation, whereas there were many more who couldn't be arsed/dindnt think they would win and they lost out on a lot of money.

 

[metalblue]

@BImboBob if those people can't be arsed to turn up to meetings and vote then why are they in the union, the only reason is so they can use them for disciplinary reasons and nothing else, if they can't be arsed supporting the union then why should the union bother with them. If the union recommends action and you are in it you have an obligation to vote, just like a general election if you don't vote then don't come moaning to me about the way the country is run, you have a say in changing things so bloody do it. 30% will lose money so 100% can reap the benefits that's not good either, if those people don't want to strike fair enough but if the ones that do get a better deal then they are the only ones who should reap the rewards, easily done by giving them different contracts.
This has been done recently in my job were only the people who paid to bring legal action against the fire authority won compensation, whereas there were many more who couldn't be arsed/dindnt think they would win and they lost out on a lot of money.

Agreed; "don't vote....don't moan"

Your other idea of different payscales would likely end up back-firing..... immediate 10% pay hike if you sign my "non-union" contract, how many will stay with in the union? and then how long do you imagine before the next pay-rise?

Unions still have an important role to play in ensuring fairness but they do need to become more relevant to the changing workplace of today and stop striking on some of the more millitant type issues (this isn't a dig at the 30th june strike action as I broadly sympathise with PS workers on pensions, yes change is needed for cost and fairness reasons but forcing a pay-cut on them just because their employeers couldn't see the world of shit they were committing to isn't really "right" in my eyes)

 

[BimboBob]

@BImboBob if those people can't be arsed to turn up to meetings and vote then why are they in the union, the only reason is so they can use them for disciplinary reasons and nothing else, if they can't be arsed supporting the union then why should the union bother with them. If the union recommends action and you are in it you have an obligation to vote, just like a general election if you don't vote then don't come moaning to me about the way the country is run, you have a say in changing things so bloody do it. 30% will lose money so 100% can reap the benefits that's not good either, if those people don't want to strike fair enough but if the ones that do get a better deal then they are the only ones who should reap the rewards, easily done by giving them different contracts.
This has been done recently in my job were only the people who paid to bring legal action against the fire authority won compensation, whereas there were many more who couldn't be arsed/dindnt think they would win and they lost out on a lot of money.

So...

And this is only a rough estimate based on what she knows from school...

30 teachers, 8 vote yes, 10 don't vote and 12 say no. Strike still goes ahead. Why? (and yes i know look at the bigger picture).

This has happened all over the country. Total apathy for the strike from nearly 70% of the teachers. So why is it still going ahead?

It's time to make the unions democratic. You can't call a strike of the majority don't want it.

And the reason why they are in the union is because they HAVE too. Got them over the barrel...