Strike on 30th June

law74 said:
metalblue said:
So....How do you think we should reduce the spending / income gap in government?

Tackle the tax evasion tax avoidance of the major corporations.
The Boots head office that employs zero staff, the milking off of Millions to the wife of the head of the arcadia group because she unlike he lives in a tax haven, Deloite, offices in 36 tax havens, Ernst and Young 38, KPMC 47, PWC 46, yet these big 4 group of accountants are the ons telling the country how we need to cut our spending, the Domicile rule, Vodaphone, tax bill of £6 BILLION, wived to allow them to pay only £1.25 Million, deal with these issues and we wont need to sack classroom assistants, we wontneed to close our coastguard stations, or our hospital wards, we wont need our public sector to pay more, work longer and get less.

From each by their means, to each by their needs.

Okay so make impossible for them so they pay tax. In turn they take the offices and work to another country which will provide them with said help. Not possible for all but how much do you think Vodafone benefit the economy in this country to be allowed to basically forfeit on a £6 billion tax bill. How many people do they employ who pay tax? Companies dont give a crap about the country and will jog on if you make there lives hard
 
law74 said:
metalblue said:
So....How do you think we should reduce the spending / income gap in government?

Tackle the tax evasion tax avoidance of the major corporations.
The Boots head office that employs zero staff, the milking off of Millions to the wife of the head of the arcadia group because she unlike he lives in a tax haven, Deloite, offices in 36 tax havens, Ernst and Young 38, KPMC 47, PWC 46, yet these big 4 group of accountants are the ons telling the country how we need to cut our spending, the Domicile rule, Vodaphone, tax bill of £6 BILLION, wived to allow them to pay only £1.25 Million, deal with these issues and we wont need to sack classroom assistants, we wontneed to close our coastguard stations, or our hospital wards, we wont need our public sector to pay more, work longer and get less.

From each by their means, to each by their needs.

Whilst it is hard to disagree with the fact that all of the above is unfair we live in an age when a company can re-locate abroad at the drop of a hat.

Don't know what the answer is tbh.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
law74 said:
metalblue said:
So....How do you think we should reduce the spending / income gap in government?

Tackle the tax evasion tax avoidance of the major corporations.
The Boots head office that employs zero staff, the milking off of Millions to the wife of the head of the arcadia group because she unlike he lives in a tax haven, Deloite, offices in 36 tax havens, Ernst and Young 38, KPMC 47, PWC 46, yet these big 4 group of accountants are the ons telling the country how we need to cut our spending, the Domicile rule, Vodaphone, tax bill of £6 BILLION, wived to allow them to pay only £1.25 Million, deal with these issues and we wont need to sack classroom assistants, we wontneed to close our coastguard stations, or our hospital wards, we wont need our public sector to pay more, work longer and get less.

From each by their means, to each by their needs.

Okay so make impossible for them so they pay tax. In turn they take the offices and work to another country which will provide them with said help. Not possible for all but how much do you think Vodafone benefit the economy in this country to be allowed to basically forfeit on a £6 billion tax bill. How many people do they employ who pay tax? Companies dont give a crap about the country and will jog on if you make there lives hard

So dont use the products or services of those that are unwilling to pay their share into society.
I refuse to go into Boots, or any of the Arcadia group, I avoid Tesco when at all possible, prefering to buy my meat from my small local butcher, my veg from the small local fruit and veg man next door to the butcher.
The first thing that will make these dregs on our society change their theiving ways would be if they were to see their shops footfall and profits drop.
If they jog on and take their shops or their phones elsewhere, we will continue as a nation to use mobile phones, we will continue to buy toiletries, condoms, get prescriptions, we will continue to buy clothes, but instead of the profits all being siphoned off into an already very rich multi-millionaire's offshore account, a large percentage will be poured back into the economy through taxation.
Their is a better fairer way.
 
law74 said:
metalblue said:
So....How do you think we should reduce the spending / income gap in government?

Tackle the tax evasion tax avoidance of the major corporations.
The Boots head office that employs zero staff, the milking off of Millions to the wife of the head of the arcadia group because she unlike he lives in a tax haven, Deloite, offices in 36 tax havens, Ernst and Young 38, KPMC 47, PWC 46, yet these big 4 group of accountants are the ons telling the country how we need to cut our spending, the Domicile rule, Vodaphone, tax bill of £6 BILLION, wived to allow them to pay only £1.25 Million, deal with these issues and we wont need to sack classroom assistants, we wontneed to close our coastguard stations, or our hospital wards, we wont need our public sector to pay more, work longer and get less.

From each by their means, to each by their needs.
Which domicile rule?
 
law74 said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
law74 said:
Tackle the tax evasion tax avoidance of the major corporations.
The Boots head office that employs zero staff, the milking off of Millions to the wife of the head of the arcadia group because she unlike he lives in a tax haven, Deloite, offices in 36 tax havens, Ernst and Young 38, KPMC 47, PWC 46, yet these big 4 group of accountants are the ons telling the country how we need to cut our spending, the Domicile rule, Vodaphone, tax bill of £6 BILLION, wived to allow them to pay only £1.25 Million, deal with these issues and we wont need to sack classroom assistants, we wontneed to close our coastguard stations, or our hospital wards, we wont need our public sector to pay more, work longer and get less.

From each by their means, to each by their needs.

Okay so make impossible for them so they pay tax. In turn they take the offices and work to another country which will provide them with said help. Not possible for all but how much do you think Vodafone benefit the economy in this country to be allowed to basically forfeit on a £6 billion tax bill. How many people do they employ who pay tax? Companies dont give a crap about the country and will jog on if you make there lives hard

So dont use the products or services of those that are unwilling to pay their share into society.
I refuse to go into Boots, or any of the Arcadia group, I avoid Tesco when at all possible, prefering to buy my meat from my small local butcher, my veg from the small local fruit and veg man next door to the butcher.
The first thing that will make these dregs on our society change their theiving ways would be if they were to see their shops footfall and profits drop.
If they jog on and take their shops or their phones elsewhere, we will continue as a nation to use mobile phones, we will continue to buy toiletries, condoms, get prescriptions, we will continue to buy clothes, but instead of the profits all being siphoned off into an already very rich multi-millionaire's offshore account, a large percentage will be poured back into the economy through taxation.
Their is a better fairer way.

Thats great if we all lived in 1962 again but its not how the world works. I should think companies all over the world get tax breaks and free passes as they bring in so much to the economy. How much tax do you think that multi millionaire paid personally last year not his company but him, i know he had his stock sent to his wife which he is legally entitled to do if he wasnt he would be in court but if he made £60 million say last year he would of paid £30 million in tax. You force him away and suddenly you have a £30 million shortfall
 
The non-domicile rule is a distant echo of empire. It allows some residents of the UK to cite some other country as their real domicile and then, unlike all other residents, to pay UK tax on their earnings in the rest of the world only if they "remit" the money to the UK.
The idea of taxing anybody on this "remittance basis" was introduced when income tax was first imposed - in 1799 - in order to allow those who owned land in his majesty's dominions to escape tax on their colonial wealth unless they brought it back to England.

This remittance rule was then attached, for the first time, to the idea of a "non-domiciled resident" in 1914 to allow those who had been born in the colonies to live in England without paying tax on their foreign rents and stocks so long as the money remained abroad.

Today, however, the rule has been taken over by some of the wealthiest people in the country who can claim to be linked to some other domicile and who thus are allowed to escape UK tax on all of their income and capital gains in all of the rest of the world, providing they do not bring the money into the country.

On the best estimate we can find, there is a shifting population of some 60,000 of them. In the past, the German-born Tiny Rowland, the Czech-born Robert Maxwell and the Cypriot Asil Nadir were all entitled to this enormous break.

Today, the UK accepts non-domicile status for Greek shipping magnates, Saudi princes, American corporate heirs, Mohamed Al Fayed, the controversial owner of Harrods, Lakshmi Mittal, the Indian steel magnate and an assortment of foreign business executives.

Apart from the Irish Republic, which inherited the rule, we can find no other country in the world which allows any of its residents to claim that their real home is elsewhere. The United States says it does not matter where you were born, if you qualify as a resident of the US, you must pay US tax on all your income and capital gains all over the world.

The Australians, the French and the Danes do the same if you spend more than six months of a year there. The Canadians and the Spanish do it if you spend 183 days of a year there. The Germans and Belgians and Greeks do it if your "customary place of abode" is there. The Japanese have a version of the UK domicile rule but only if you stay there for fewer than five years.

Those who wish to take non-domicile status in the UK find the route is simple and easily negotiated. During their first tax year as residents in the UK, they can fill in a short Inland Revenue form, known as a Dom One, in which they provide their family background, list any "business, personal, social or other connections" with their country of birth, and state their intention not to stay permanently in the UK.

Tax advisers say they have never heard of an application being rejected and that, on occasion, the Inland Revenue has granted non-domicile status to wealthy people born in the UK simply because their parents could claim a different domicile.

The debate about the value of the rule centres on two points. First, its defenders argue that it promotes inward investment. However, its critics point out that, in itself, the rule appears to deter investment by requiring a non-domiciled resident to pay tax on global earnings precisely and only if they are remitted to this country. They say that parliament can better encourage inward investment with tax breaks specifically designed for the purpose.

Second, defenders of the rule suggest that, if it is scrapped, the result will not be that wealthy foreigners in the UK start to pay full tax but that they will leave the country, thus taking with them the little UK tax that they do pay.

Critics, however, point out that they would have no incentive to leave, because no other country will accept them as non-domiciles and that, in any event, it is essentially unfair that a small group of wealthy people should be given such a tax advantage.

Twice in the last 15 years, the Treasury has considered abolishing the rule only to be confronted by a powerful lobby of foreign millionaires claiming such a move would cost the economy hundreds of millions of pounds because non-domiciles would flee the country.

A senior government source describes these claims as "unlikely to be true", primarily because there is no hard evidence that the non-domiciles have invested any substantial extra funds as a result of being encouraged to live in the UK.

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law74 said:
metalblue said:
So....How do you think we should reduce the spending / income gap in government?

Tackle the tax evasion tax avoidance of the major corporations.
The Boots head office that employs zero staff, the milking off of Millions to the wife of the head of the arcadia group because she unlike he lives in a tax haven, Deloite, offices in 36 tax havens, Ernst and Young 38, KPMC 47, PWC 46, yet these big 4 group of accountants are the ons telling the country how we need to cut our spending, the Domicile rule, Vodaphone, tax bill of £6 BILLION, wived to allow them to pay only £1.25 Million, deal with these issues and we wont need to sack classroom assistants, we wontneed to close our coastguard stations, or our hospital wards, we wont need our public sector to pay more, work longer and get less.

From each by their means, to each by their needs.
Not sure quoting Marx is going to endear you to the tories on here mate ;)

For what it's worth I agree with you on closing the tax loopholes.
 
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Thats great if we all lived in 1962 again but its not how the world works. I should think companies all over the world get tax breaks and free passes as they bring in so much to the economy. How much tax do you think that multi millionaire paid personally last year not his company but him, i know he had his stock sent to his wife which he is legally entitled to do if he wasnt he would be in court but if he made £60 million say last year he would of paid £30 million in tax. You force him away and suddenly you have a £30 million shortfall

How would we be £30 million worse off?
We would still be spending the same amount of money on our produce, but we would be spending it in shops owned by people with a social conscience, not by shyster that uses loopholes in the current legislation to avoid contributing to the society that is making him rich.
By being more thoughtful of where we choose to spend our wages we are helping the future of our country.
5 minutes once a week is enough for me to get my meat and veg for the week, it could take that long to park the car at the nearest Tesco or shopping centre, never mind walking around the place.
It might cost a little more per week, but that is largely saved by using less fuel and spending less time.
 
law74 said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Thats great if we all lived in 1962 again but its not how the world works. I should think companies all over the world get tax breaks and free passes as they bring in so much to the economy. How much tax do you think that multi millionaire paid personally last year not his company but him, i know he had his stock sent to his wife which he is legally entitled to do if he wasnt he would be in court but if he made £60 million say last year he would of paid £30 million in tax. You force him away and suddenly you have a £30 million shortfall

How would we be £30 million worse off?
We would still be spending the same amount of money on our produce, but we would be spending it in shops owned by people with a social conscience, not by shyster that uses loopholes in the current legislation to avoid contributing to the society that is making him rich.
By being more thoughtful of where we choose to spend our wages we are helping the future of our country.
5 minutes once a week is enough for me to get my meat and veg for the week, it could take that long to park the car at the nearest Tesco or shopping centre, never mind walking around the place.
It might cost a little more per week, but that is largely saved by using less fuel and spending less time.

Someone mentioned the supermarket thing a while back. Saying he has 4 kids and no time and money is tight why would he drag kids around more shops and pay more wasting more time when he can just go to supermarket and save time and money and hassle with the kids and wife.
5 mins to get your meat and veg, really?
The sad thing is we need the rich for the taxes, what they get away with is obviously allowed by the government because they see the glass half full. Its all well and good you theory and it would be very nice but people dont work like that anymore, convenience is everyones aim
 

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