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Suarez - banned for 4 months (page 74)
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superseiyan
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baildon blue said:I know where in a bit of a pickle with Yaya Toure . But at least we don't have a player that's banned from Football , for half a season . Its going to be hard getting big money for the serial biter .Prestwich_Blue said:Worst case scenario for Liverpool is that they're stuck with him, unable to play for what is effectively the first half of the season (if he's not allowed train during his ban) and without the money that his sale would bring in. If they fall out the top four and bomb in the CL then they're in a mess. Probably better to get rid now and get replacements quickly.
Barcelona apparently really, really, really want him.
I don't know what's with the big two spanish names and their hard on for "names". Barcelona never used to be like that, but now they're just like Madrid...Ozil then and Sanchez now were hardly surplus to their needs. But that's their model, we all know what it is.
As far as Suarez, I don't think we'll be devastated. For me it'll be "thanks for the awesome season last year and for helping getting us back into the ECL!" that's about it really. I'm nervous as to what happens last season. We could do a Spurs (though they're purchases were more unbalanced and simply poor--and even then in the end did they do THAT badly?) or we could be like United (I don't mean winning the league, but they still seemed ok in the league when they lost Ronaldo).
Honestly we've gone through this before in the not too distant past losing Torres--it's only 3-4 years ago that he was a really good striker for us. Any team other than you, the big two in Spain and PSG will always have to deal with the real danger that their best player will be off. It's all about taking care of other parts of the club.
Damocles said:dazdon said:I'm just waiting for the scousers reactions when it fully dawns on them that Suarez is not going to be their player any more :-)
It will be magnificient
They'll take the moral high ground. He'll become a diving, biting, racist, who's blackening Liverpool's good name.
FanchesterCity
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Big names = Big money in merchandise and PR
They might not get all their money back - that would be a bit too optimistic, but a mega signing each season keeps their profile high, sponsors love it (although Suarez might be a little less than usual), fans love it, and shirt sales get a boost too.
And, it's not as though they are signing slouches either. These are big name players who can play! - it's rare they buy out and out flops - the worst case is that someone wasn't as successful as they'd hoped with a poor 1 in 4 goal ratio or so!
How well Suarez will fit at Barcelona is anybody's guess. He's not going to be the main man, that's for sure - even if he outplayed Messi, Barca fans would be biased towards Messi (I expect). Much like if it came to Suarez vs Gerrard, there's only one winner in Liverpool fan's eyes.
Liverpool fans are like most others - for the moment, it's all about hanging on to Suarez and sticking two fingers up at bigger / richer clubs. The moment he goes, it will have been the right time and he served his purpose but had to go.
The 'moral' victory will be how much they get for him. The LFC fans have set out their stall at 80m and no less. That's their moral victory threshold.
Best of luck to 'em.
They might not get all their money back - that would be a bit too optimistic, but a mega signing each season keeps their profile high, sponsors love it (although Suarez might be a little less than usual), fans love it, and shirt sales get a boost too.
And, it's not as though they are signing slouches either. These are big name players who can play! - it's rare they buy out and out flops - the worst case is that someone wasn't as successful as they'd hoped with a poor 1 in 4 goal ratio or so!
How well Suarez will fit at Barcelona is anybody's guess. He's not going to be the main man, that's for sure - even if he outplayed Messi, Barca fans would be biased towards Messi (I expect). Much like if it came to Suarez vs Gerrard, there's only one winner in Liverpool fan's eyes.
Liverpool fans are like most others - for the moment, it's all about hanging on to Suarez and sticking two fingers up at bigger / richer clubs. The moment he goes, it will have been the right time and he served his purpose but had to go.
The 'moral' victory will be how much they get for him. The LFC fans have set out their stall at 80m and no less. That's their moral victory threshold.
Best of luck to 'em.
KentBlue
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Liverpool fans are like most others
What, never shouldering responsibility and blaming everything on other people/clubs/incidents, etc?
I don't think so.
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Have you not already seen it? It started with denial, then a gradual distancing from him (helped by the biting incident), followed by acceptance, claiming that it'll actually be good for the club, and by the time it actually happens, they'll be proclaiming their management geniuses for managing to get £Xm for a problem player (who was obviously never a problem until they decided to sell him) and declaring whatever overpriced players they buy with the money to have actually improved the team overall. I'd piss myself if he dived in the Champions League to knock Liverpool out though.Damocles said:dazdon said:I'm just waiting for the scousers reactions when it fully dawns on them that Suarez is not going to be their player any more :-)
It will be magnificient
FanchesterCity
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KentBlue said:Liverpool fans are like most others
What, never shouldering responsibility and blaming everything on other people/clubs/incidents, etc?
I don't think so.
You're free to believe that, and buy into stereotypes, but it is course a load of tosh.
Of course there are moronic Liverpool fans (just as there are City fans), but honestly, they have fans all over the world, all sizes, races, ages.
Perfect club? far from it, but what club is.
Claiming they are all like that is like opposition fans claiming we've all turned arrogant, and lack class etc. It's a nonsense.
I'm all for having a bit of a laugh at their expense, and I'm more than happy to criticise some of the crap they've been involved in, but I'm not daft enough to actually believe any set of fans is a particular 'breed'.
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Whilst I accept the thrust of what you're saying there are palpable differences between sets of supporters. Are you seriously saying that MK Dons and Millwall supporters are 'cut from the same cloth'?FanchesterCity said:I'm all for having a bit of a laugh at their expense, and I'm more than happy to criticise some of the crap they've been involved in, but I'm not daft enough to actually believe any set of fans is a particular 'breed'.
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I'm With Stupid said:Have you not already seen it? It started with denial, then a gradual distancing from him (helped by the biting incident), followed by acceptance, claiming that it'll actually be good for the club, and by the time it actually happens, they'll be proclaiming their management geniuses for managing to get £Xm for a problem player (who was obviously never a problem until they decided to sell him) and declaring whatever overpriced players they buy with the money to have actually improved the team overall. I'd piss myself if he dived in the Champions League to knock Liverpool out though.Damocles said:dazdon said:I'm just waiting for the scousers reactions when it fully dawns on them that Suarez is not going to be their player any more :-)
It will be magnificient
Yep, that's precisely what's happening.
They started with 'he's going nowhere'
Then it shifted to '80m or don't bother'
Now they're learning the club's in negotiation (what's to negotiate if the deal is 80m or nothing?)...
It's turning into 'smart business from our sensible foreign owners' (as opposed to all other nasty foreign owners).
They'll be claiming he was never going to do as well as he did last season, and that they did well without him anyway, and like you say 'they'll be a better overall team without him' (maybe the actually will, but they didn't say that before!)
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gordondaviesmoustache said:Whilst I accept the thrust of what you're saying there are palpable differences between sets of supporters. Are you seriously saying that MK Dons and Millwall supporters are 'cut from the same cloth'?FanchesterCity said:I'm all for having a bit of a laugh at their expense, and I'm more than happy to criticise some of the crap they've been involved in, but I'm not daft enough to actually believe any set of fans is a particular 'breed'.
Well...
Yes, if you move onto the next level and start to consider if some cultures / clubs attract a certain type of fan. Which I do believe is a factor. Like City fans are often slightly pessimistic - is that because we've watched them for so long, or something about the club that ties in with our outlook?
But then it's starting to get very deep about fan culture and particular clubs, but still, there's a fair mix of fans at every club ( but you might have a point about a general trend! )
I just hate it when other fans make assumptions about me as a City fan, or 'us' as a group. City fans are this, or that etc. So I don't really like us doing the same to other fans. All this 'proper club' and 'proper fans' - it's proper crap!