suicide

[peoffrey]

The only selfish act in suicide I believe are those who involved someone else, like throwing yourself in front of a train. The driver may feel awful and suffer as a consequence for example, but at the same time I understand their desperation must be overwhelming and it is a way out.

You could argue all suicides involve at least someone else but with differing levels of involvement. I know for a fact that train drivers are offered all the leave and counselling they need and are eased back in to work at their own pace. A mate of mine from a few years ago had two suicides in a short period of time as a train driver. It's something they've got to be prepared for when they take up the job.

My Cousin took an overdose in a B&B in the middle of nowhere and a young Chambermaid discovered her body in the morning. It was a Family run business too and they've always got the stigma of a suicide happening in their home hanging over them forever. My Uncle had to go and collect belongings and do whatever was required of him just days after. I hate what my Cousin did as her actions disgust me - but I don't hate her. I'll just never understand it unless I find myself in the same position.

 

[BlueMo']

I tend to agree with not involving a third party, poor cunts what did they ever do?
My own preference is drug overdose and alcohol.
I'm such a coward though i couldn't jump off a building.
I'm such a coward though.

 

[Manchestercitychorlton]

For me personally it scares me how desperate and alone you can feel, it scares me that I don't know what I'd do if I found myself in such a situation.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

My mum took her own life at the age of 44, two weeks short of my 27th birthday.
I found it very hard to deal with at the time and could not understand why the fuck she'd been so fuckin selfish and weak. For some time after I'd speak about it as an act of cowardice purely because I just couldn't get my head around why she'd bail out on us all.
I've since understood why it happened and how low she must've felt within herself to take her to that desperate place.
It's hard for me to put any of it into words to be honest but one thing I will say is if I (and others)were more aware of what she was going through at that time then I'm pretty sure her death could've been prevented.
She never actually went down as a suicide hers was an open verdict due to there being no suicide note.
Today would've been her 67th birthday.

 

[mackenzie]

My mum took her own life at the age of 44, two weeks short of my 27th birthday.
I found it very hard to deal with at the time and could not understand why the fuck she'd been so fuckin selfish and weak. For some time after I'd speak about it as an act of cowardice purely because I just couldn't get my head around why she'd bail out on us all.
I've since understood why it happened and how low she must've felt within herself to take her to that desperate place.
It's hard for me to put any of it into words to be honest but one thing I will say is if I (and others)were more aware of what she was going through at that time then I'm pretty sure her death could've been prevented.
She never actually went down as a suicide hers was an open verdict due to there being no suicide note.
Today would've been her 67th birthday.

This has to be the most poignant post I have ever read in my ten years on here.

I hope you realise that she loved you, despite everything.

My own threatened it and nearly carried it out in front of me when I was about 7. Scared the shit out of me. However, you then look back and see how unhappy and damaged they were and just forgive.

 

[billfromthehill]

Complete selfishness in my eyes, if they cared for anyone around them, and how much they'd hurt them, they wouldn't do it.

Always thought that way myself about the poor buggers
But surely there must be a place sadly where the sound mind can go to ,I'm not calling any one here
Get this straight ok, I've been around some sad days me self with this awful circumstance it's
Worthy of why the hell but who knows its angin.<br /><br />-- Thu Aug 22, 2013 9:42 pm --<br /><br />

My mum took her own life at the age of 44, two weeks short of my 27th birthday.
I found it very hard to deal with at the time and could not understand why the fuck she'd been so fuckin selfish and weak. For some time after I'd speak about it as an act of cowardice purely because I just couldn't get my head around why she'd bail out on us all.
I've since understood why it happened and how low she must've felt within herself to take her to that desperate place.
It's hard for me to put any of it into words to be honest but one thing I will say is if I (and others)were more aware of what she was going through at that time then I'm pretty sure her death could've been prevented.
She never actually went down as a suicide hers was an open verdict due to there being no suicide note.
Today would've been her 67th birthday.

So sorry to hear that mate I posted my last post before this came up ok .

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Thanks Mack and you Bill.
I think one of her issues Mack was that she never realised how much she really was loved.

 

[billfromthehill]

Thanks Mack and you Bill.
I think one of her issues Mack was that she never realised how much she really was loved.

That's a point that IMO really is hard for the poor victims to grasp
How do you address your good friends with your probs without feeling worthless or week
It's shit cos if I felt I ,was on that lane ,I wouldn't have a clue ,sorry to any one affected here
It' brings a lump like a boulder to my throat ,we all think we're strong ,and we are and we ain't ,
IMO
Once again sorry for the way I come across its a subject of tenderness I no!

 

[johnmc]

I've got mixed up opinions on suicide. Purely on the face of it I do think its a selfish act. That opinion has always been in me I suppose. However the more I've grown up, the more there have been one or two instances in my life where it's affected me tell me my opinion is wrong but some reaffirm it.

A lad I know. Always let things affect it a little too much but all the same a nice lad, nothing extraordinary. Split up with his girlfriend and given his nature it really affected him. Probably 30 odd years and possibly the first time he had been in love. Probably shagged a few before and all that but this girl he loved and she fucked him off. He garrotted himself in his bedroom at his mums house. His mum found him. And you can only imagine the sight that greeted her as she went to see how he was. She was a lovely woman and that changed her. She died a few months after when that was never on the cards up till then. But obviously this guy had certain issues that werent obvious in the pub but were always there. He though he was at rock bottom but really he wasn't. A girl who didnt want to be with him split up with him. That's all. He had people as a shoulder, people to have a pint with but that one girl had a power over him. It wasn't the girls fault. If she wasn't happy she had no obligation to him. She must have flat responsible. His mum didnt deserve that either. But something in him told him that life was as bad as it ever could be. So why be here. Not sure ill ever understand that.

Another was a cousin going through a hard time, finding out she was adopted and stuff. Hers was 100% a cry for help think. But what if he was successful? Over ten years go that. Now married, law degree, new house and her whole life in front of her.

I don't think ill ever understand it. But I'm lucky to never have really felt like that. So who i am I to call someone selfish for something I have no understanding of.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Thanks Mack and you Bill.
I think one of her issues Mack was that she never realised how much she really was loved.

That's a point that IMO really is hard for the poor victims to grasp
How do you address your good friends with your probs without feeling worthless or week
It's shit cos if I felt I ,was on that lane ,I wouldn't have a clue ,sorry to any one affected here
It' brings a lump like a boulder to my throat ,we all think we're strong ,and we are and we ain't ,
IMO
Once again sorry for the way I come across its a subject of tenderness I no!

No problem Bill.
The thing is its a very decisive and emotive subject which is certainly highlighted by the differing opinions in posts on this thread.