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ayrshire_blue said:
I wasn't a huge fan of Pep's interview tbh. I thought he was trying to encourage players to play with more freedom? Asked a question about Cherki's talent for the goal and answered that Dias's goal was good then rambled on about Messi. Wtf?
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I find Pep’s persistent eulogising of Messi when discussing the merits of our players a bit fucking tiresome. No need to say that today. Really pissed me off. Messi couldn’t do a Rabona the dodgy legged dwarf!
 
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The Blue Eh said:
Are you sure you didn’t watch a bad edit?

In the interview I watched, Pep likened Cherki to Messi — not just in talent but in what he said was the more important attribute of doing the simple things perfectly. “Exceptional skills; huge talent; gave us continuity (he may have meant ‘control’); self confident; something special in the final third” was how he complimented Cherki in that response. He added that he’d never even seen Messi cross the ball the way Cherki did today. I’m certain Cherki would consider that high praise.

There was no mention of the Dias goal, nor did I think his answer to be rambling.
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Nah. Even in the cold light of day it's just a shit response from Pep. You'll struggle to find someone who praises Pep as much as me, but the constant Messi stuff is tiresome, why's he even part of the answer here? It just comes across as a huge put down to one of the best assists I've had the pleasure of watching.
 
Groke said:
Watched them a few times when they were in the championship with relatively sparse crowds - that's fine, but hearing dickheads coming out with the wwywyws nonsense when it clearly applies to them more aptly makes me laugh. Same true for forest, leeds, villa etc. No doubt we'll get it off Coventry next season too - yawn.
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Agreed. Specially when they come from one club towns; L***s, Mackems, Geordies (their attendances pre Keegan were horrendous), Brighton, Bournemouth etc etc.
 
ayrshire_blue said:


Nah. Even in the cold light of day it's just a shit response from Pep. You'll struggle to find someone who praises Pep as much as me, but the constant Messi stuff is tiresome, why's he even part of the answer here? It just comes across as a huge put down to one of the best assists I've had the pleasure of watching.
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Spot on mate.
The media do not need any encouragement to be negative about us. It was unnecessary.
I bloody hope the two of them build a good relationship as Pep can help Cherki become a world beater.
 
.db. said:
Sunderland are the only set of fans in the country who can have a pop at us about attendances when we were shit.

They hold the 1st, 2nd and 3rd record average attendances in the third tier from the recent years they were down there. With ours coming in 4th behind them.
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Not that I give a fuck really, but, the reason is that we had a low capacity when we landed in the third tier - we sold out what we could. They didn't sell out their 42,000 capacity, despite being a one-horse town
 
the blue panther said:
Not that I give a fuck really, but, the reason is that we had a low capacity when we landed in the third tier - we sold out what we could. They didn't sell out their 42,000 capacity, despite being a one-horse town
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We didn't sell out the vast majority of the time, and Manchester is a lot bigger than Sunderland both with one League club if you don't count Barrow.
 
East Level 2 said:
At the risk of having been Clarkied; Barrow is nowhere near Sunderland.
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They are based in Manchester these days, travel up to Barrow for the games, easier to get player to go to Moston every day. Yes they rent off that lot.
 
fanatic1 said:
Savinho must be the worst Brazilian in the EPL since the era of Jo Silva. But at least Jo who featured in a World Cup got a few goals for us in the Europa league and then for Everton when he went out on loan. Any chance of swapping Savinho and Kalvin Phillips in the January sales to Forest Green Rangers or similar?
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Forest Green Rangers? An imaginary team for Savinho's imagined ability.
 
ayrshire_blue said:


Nah. Even in the cold light of day it's just a shit response from Pep. You'll struggle to find someone who praises Pep as much as me, but the constant Messi stuff is tiresome, why's he even part of the answer here? It just comes across as a huge put down to one of the best assists I've had the pleasure of watching.
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I don't like that interview one bit. Its mean spirited as well as not giving the credit Cherki is due.
 
Maybe pep likes a well seasoned , grounded cherki and not just paprika sprinkled ,bland half cooked .
There’s nba and there’s Harlem globe trotters
Each have their own time and space
 
Yeah shite interview from pep there. Ffs give the lad some credit and boost his confidence maybe pep. He was banging on about messi to the players the first day he walked through the door. Asking them are any of you messi? Which I thought was a bit of a twatish thing to do at the time. And hes still doing it now. Turn it in pep ffs!
 
Cherki could easily have had four assists, and besides that he even had a very good shot (although here he probably could have passed a few seconds earlier to Marmoush, who would have been left only with the goalkeeper) and the action at 12:38 – a beautiful through ball to Nunes, who hit the ball too hard across the penalty area. It’s easy to praise Cherki endlessly. And everyone does it. The media, the fans, and his teammates.

Pep will choose to praise Cherki when others are getting angry. And he will try to teach Cherki the hardest lessons at the moment when everyone is telling him that he is the best ever.

Pep knows that in the long run, statistically for the team and for the match result, a rabona < a non-rabona.

That’s why he will insist on a non-rabona tendency. From time to time it’s okay, but you, Ryan, have to build automatisms, and the rule is: no rabona. Messi is probably the best footballer in history and he never had an assist with a rabona – look at that clear example, Ryan, and answer for yourself.

Pep was not criticizing Cherki when he spoke about Messi or the assist, he was analyzing. At the top level you have to develop. People more often and faster develop through constructive comments and their analysis, not through praise of non-optimal solutions. But yeah, its much easier to praise then, its more emotionally logical, isnt it? Sometimes you talk on the training ground and pitch, sometimes in the canteen, but sometimes the message reaches the player most strongly when it is delivered publicly in a post-match statement. That whole thing is smart – that is man-management that is not easy or obvious, but at an elite level.

Ryan is a good and intelligent boy. Pep will turn him into a colossus. The fact that so many City fans think otherwise speaks badly of their intelligence, because they should know better – that is, they should know that Pep knows better. There are half a world of people who for the last 18 years have constantly and gleefully doubted Pep’s solutions. And for 18 years they have constantly been getting destroyed for it, sooner rather than later.
 
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