Sustainability and our transfer plan

Much sense on this thread.

I want us to be FFP compliant but, like every one of us, not at the expense of failing to maintain our achievement on the pitch.

I have a feeling we will sign a NdJ replacement today - most likely Garcia from Benfica if more trustworthy sources on twitter etc are to believed - for a fee within our high end bracket (i.e. £24m). With all the savings made on the likely outgoing players, our net spend would be relatively modest as a result.

I think we can be assured that our owners know what they're doing.
 
I think people are lying to themselves. Any company or businessman, no matter how big and illustrious, can make mistakes, god knows we've made PLENTY so far. If there is no further movement in or out this window, we'll almost certainly look back on this summer as the time we could have really stuck the boot in and didn't.

The proof will of course be in the pudding. If we win the league again then we clearly won't have done too badly. But if we miss out on it, not even an FA Cup will be enough to justify why we went from Champions, strongest in the league, to letting our opponents overtake us in one solitary window. If you were to put money on Mancini being happy or angered by our window thus far, what would it be? I'm going with the latter. And as we all like to say around here, trust in Mancini..
 
The weakness in the squad was not the first 11 which everyone agreed was the best by far in the League, but those who were available to come in when the stars were missing / tired.
 
munster said:
Much sense on this thread.

I want us to be FFP compliant but, like every one of us, not at the expense of failing to maintain our achievement on the pitch.

I have a feeling we will sign a NdJ replacement today - most likely Garcia from Benfica if more trustworthy sources on twitter etc are to believed - for a fee within our high end bracket (i.e. £24m). With all the savings made on the likely outgoing players, our net spend would be relatively modest as a result.

I think we can be assured that our owners know what they're doing.

If so, why sign a 24million NdJ replacement when we could have/should have kept the original version for a lesser outlay? Kinda goes against the FFP plan doesn't it?
 
A lot of good points in this thread. My take on a successful football club is the increase of revenue by attracting new fans and increasing shirt sales and sponsorships. Unfortunately I don't thinks this is going to happen by signing Rodwell and Sinclair as they are hardly known players outside the UK. At least one marquee signing per year would be required to elevate our international standing to the likes of Barcelona, Madrid, and even dare I say the rags.
 
Kris_Musampa said:
munster said:
Much sense on this thread.

I want us to be FFP compliant but, like every one of us, not at the expense of failing to maintain our achievement on the pitch.

I have a feeling we will sign a NdJ replacement today - most likely Garcia from Benfica if more trustworthy sources on twitter etc are to believed - for a fee within our high end bracket (i.e. £24m). With all the savings made on the likely outgoing players, our net spend would be relatively modest as a result.

I think we can be assured that our owners know what they're doing.

If so, why sign a 24million NdJ replacement when we could have/should have kept the original version for a lesser outlay? Kinda goes against the FFP plan doesn't it?
Footballing reasons. We are still a football club. Clearly with a free hand we could have bought who we liked within reasons. But we all knew the spending could not and would not continue. As it is we are going to end up with a stronger squad - significantly so if Maicon is still fit.
 
Cobwebcat said:
Read a post on here last night and it's beginning to sink in.

Our owners spent 10 years' money in 4 years because of FFPR coming in. Gary Cook persuaded them to do this arguing, correctly, that we needed to get into the CL and quick.

Now that has been achieved the big spending stops. The business model buzzword is sustainability... to be achieved long term with the odd affordable signing. This will be aided in the long term by the academy.

We are no longer following the Chelsea model.

That's why I believe that we brought in Hargreaves and Pizarro....the mega signings will be one per season once we have shifted the deadwood.

Players like RSC and Savic are still here and, if they go tomorrow, its too late for this window.

It hasn't been a fuck up. It's a business plan. We've forked out more money keeping Mancini and Kompany and hopefully Silva than most clubs have on new signings.

It may or may not work but I think the penny has dropped for me. The blow them out of the water days have gone for the forseeable future. If I had known I'd have enjoyed it even more then.

Like most businesses...there is a plan. Just not as exciting as it has been.

I don't think there is a £40 million signing waiting to be unveiled tomorrow. Sorry....I hope I'm wrong.

P.S. I know this isn't as exciting as seeing DDR in the chippy :-)

I think you're certainly right about the sustainability, and in future the name of the game will be spending sensibly whilst increasing revenues. Not convinced about the academy though, which I think may turn out to be a gigantic white elephant in terms of what it produces.
What I would take issue with though is the assertion that this transfer window hasn't been a fuck up. We started it needing to add just 3 top quality players to turn us into a real global force. A centre half, a central midfielder and a wide midfielder with a bit of pace. Somehow by the time the window shuts it looks as if we will have ended up with a winger fresh from the Swansea bench, who is no better than the one we let go, a defensive midfielder from the Everton bench, who cost 4 times more than the seasoned international we're letting go to those Milanese shysters for a pittance, a raw 19 year old Serbian centre half, who by the time you factor in a fee for the raw 21 year old Montenegran centre half going in the opposite direction, cost a whopping 15m, an over the hill 32 year old right back when we already have two perfectly serviceable right backs on the books, a 'homesick' 3rd string keeper (and yes, I know we needed one - a keeper that is, not a homesick one!) who lasted less than 3 weeks the last time he was asked to live in the North West, and possibly another defensive midfield player from Benfica, whose 25m buy out clause is roughly twice what he's worth.
All told they have/will cost around 65m in fees alone, whilst we have recouped only 18m for NDJ, AJ and Adebadbuy, plus we're still paying the wages of Bridge and Crocky. My question would be if we had that kind of money at our disposal (and I'd assumed because of FFP we didn't), then why the fuck didn't we just cough up the asking prices for Hazard and Martinez at the beginning of June and then blow Spurs out of the water for Dembele? Job done.
Next year will be a scorched earth job in so much as we will finally get the last of Hughesless's shitbox signings off our books, but I fear the Chimps League draw yesterday, where we copped for 2 of the 4 best clubs in Europe (cos that's how good Dortmund are - they stuffed Bayern 3 or 4 times last season) may put a sizeable dent in any spending plans. It was important then that we had a good summer this year in the market, and with all the will in the world, I don't think we can say we did.
 
Phuket Blue said:
I think Khuldoon made it very clear in his 'State of the Union' interview. We will always have money available for true quality.

But this window we have chosen to establish ourselves being nobody's fool. I believe the Owners have been quite badly embarassed by our transfer dealings and in their world this is totally unacceptable. So the first job for the new CEO is to make sure Ade, Bridge and RSC will NEVER happen again at this Club. NDJ has been the major casualty, as well as not getting Hazard, in this process. But Players and their leeching Agents now know we will never again be held over a barrell, and this will pay big dividends in future windows as well as going some way towards regaining their credibility.

As someone pointed out, once FFP came to light, we rightly accelerated the buying to get our foot in the 'elite club' door. The only big mistake our owners have made has been trusting Thaksin's judgement in Mark 'knee jerk' Hughes and Garry 'on a whim' Cook.
Now, our owners have their own team 100% in place and will continue to assess where we are on the pitch relative to their goals for the project. But, if any of our fans worry the big spending is over for ever, don't! They will not let the this level of investment go to waste over the need to invest another 30-40 million per season. But it will only be on a genuine, carefully selected, world class player, or players to fill specific roles, as they have clearly stated. Much of this has been done to make sure they will never again suffer the embarrassment of EA/RSC/WB level debacles at this Club.

Good points there fella
 
I haven't read all of this thread but I do see lots of posts either completely ignorant of FFP (i.e. let's just pay whatever it takes type posts) or alternative posts from people who think FFP will never stand up and we should just ignore it.

I think that would be a dodgy strategy at best. Like it or not FFP is here and it doesn't look like going away any time soon. Platini and his henchmen have had lawyers crawling all over that contract and they clearly think it can be made to stick, and I think it will. Yes, there are loopholes and some possibilities to try to balance your books with "non-footballing" revenues. But at the end of the day it is UEFA that grants a club its license to play in competitions and if it thinks a club is taking the piss, then you won't play.

Chelsea's situation is an intriquing one, because (a) I don't know how much revenue they make and to what extent they are spending above their income levels, and (b) having just won the CL, UEFA kicking them out would be a very brave decision indeed.

But I don't for one moment thing that Platini would shrink from excluding us, given half a chance. This is the world we now live in, I am afraid.
 
Think it's just been one of those windows. We were almost certainly interested in the likes of Javi Martinez and Hazard but they didn't work out. Other transfers like Cavani, Bale, de Rossi didn't want to move. These are top players and for whatever reason it didn't work out, but I'm pretty sure if they would have been available then we would have spent the money. Obviously we won't be spending 100 million like we have done in previous windows again but I'm pretty sure we'll spend decent amounts if we get the chance
 

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