Swansea (QF) Post Match thread

34yearsandstillgoingstrong said:
My first post ! I've followed the debate in the media ( Man City News Now - useful facility ! ) and I keep on reading ( re. Sterling's penalty ) that the Swansea player gets to the ball first ( e.g. Sunday Times -" The American stuck out a foot,caught ball rather than man, but Sterling tumbled" ). It is also the same story on the bluemoon thread. I am confused :
I keep on returning to the YouTube highlights coverage of the game to reassure myself that I am not mistaken - Sterling gets in front of the Swansea man ; he cuts across him : he stretches (with his right foot) and toe-pokes the ball forward and is then-inevitably- wiped out by the challenge from the Swansea player. The Swansea player does not get the ball ! So why all the fuss? Need I ask ?. It's a clear penalty. ( Oh, and by the way - why so little comment about the two-handed shove in Aguero's back as he scores the 3rd goal ? )
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Rag!
I thought Sterling touched the ball first,the Swansea player gets a slight touch but follows through taking out Sterling-pen for me.
 
SVP said:
Rag!
I thought Sterling touched the ball first,the Swansea player gets a slight touch but follows through taking out Sterling-pen for me.
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I always remember Graham Taylor, as manager of Villa, responding to a question vis-a-vis one of his players being cleaned out. The interviewer said 'But he got the ball'. Taylor said something like 'You're not allowed to take the man and the ball'. And that was 30 years ago.

If that decision had gone for Manure, the media comment would have been 'But he's caught him as he runs past and is a pen.'
 
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Watching Sergio on the bench knowing he's going to come on at some point gave us that hope. That header, albeit two inches offside, is the sort of finish few in the world are capable of. Other strikers might score that goal as a one-off, but Sergio would score that header again and again. He is at the height of his powers in my opinion. Pep has improved him - and he was already pretty much perfect. He gets into wide positions, leaving CBs with no-one to mark then cruises into the box and when the pressure's on - no-one else comes close.
 
bewildered said:
Sergio's foot/leg is offside but his torso is in line...

It's by no means a clear cut offside and the officials are supposed to give the benefit of doubt to the attacker. The media frenzy over this is pathetic.

John Hartson on BT sport last night was a total clown, still banging on about the penalty even though the replays clearly showed that Raheem got to the ball first then was moved away from the line of the ball by the contact with the defender, its a clear pen and yet they are still banging on this morning.

Contrast this to the many instances where Salah gets a slight touch on the arm then throws a double summersault with triple salko and everyones happy.

Disgrace
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Offside includes any part of the body you can score with. If you lean forward or your knee is offside, it doesn't matter where your feet are. Nevertheless, we were putting Swansea under intense pressure that was forcing them into mistakes, and we would have won anyway. Today, Mane gets a slight touch and goes down like he's been rugby tackled. Well said Leon Osman on MOTD2 - called it as he saw it.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
Offside includes any part of the body you can score with. If you lean forward or your knee is offside, it doesn't matter where your feet are
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This is something that never should have been written into the law pre VAR as linesmen are essentially making a split second judgement call and don't have the capability to see whether a knee or hand is breaking the line 50+ yards away through a crowd of players. It's giving a feel of scientific measure that is completely absent from the application.
Now that we have VAR, they probably need to build a margin of error in to overturn on field calls tbh, as we still have difficulty in discerning when the pass is actually played.
 
HarrytheBlue said:
Watching Sergio on the bench knowing he's going to come on at some point gave us that hope. That header, albeit two inches offside, is the sort of finish few in the world are capable of. Other strikers might score that goal as a one-off, but Sergio would score that header again and again. He is at the height of his powers in my opinion. Pep has improved him - and he was already pretty much perfect. He gets into wide positions, leaving CBs with no-one to mark then cruises into the box and when the pressure's on - no-one else comes close.
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Yeah, but a fair few fellas might have scored the open goal after Jesus’ header was knocked onto the post and rebounded out...Jesus being one of them, a split second later! ;-)

He is definitely playing better than ever for City and I hope he gets the rest he needs during the IB, as opposed to seeing him out on the town in Hollywood with the latest Latino Lovely du jour.
 
I only listened to the game yesterday on the radio, so it was hard to judge, but having watched pretty much the full game today, I thought it was a great game, a game we dominated for all but about 15 minutes of the first half. I thought we played very well outside those 15 minutes, and thoroughly deserved our win, we played some great football second half, and were a little unlucky not to bag a hatful of goals again.

Well played to Swansea for giving us such a good game too, I thought they played very well with what looks like quite a young side, they gave us a better game than 90% of the PL and CL teams have this year.
 
34yearsandstillgoingstrong said:
My first post ! I've followed the debate in the media ( Man City News Now - useful facility ! ) and I keep on reading ( re. Sterling's penalty ) that the Swansea player gets to the ball first ( e.g. Sunday Times -" The American stuck out a foot,caught ball rather than man, but Sterling tumbled" ). It is also the same story on the bluemoon thread. I am confused :
I keep on returning to the YouTube highlights coverage of the game to reassure myself that I am not mistaken - Sterling gets in front of the Swansea man ; he cuts across him : he stretches (with his right foot) and toe-pokes the ball forward and is then-inevitably- wiped out by the challenge from the Swansea player. The Swansea player does not get the ball ! So why all the fuss? Need I ask ?. It's a clear penalty. ( Oh, and by the way - why so little comment about the two-handed shove in Aguero's back as he scores the 3rd goal ? )
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In the FA Cup game v Reading, Manchester Utd, (who were being generally outclassed by a lower league team on their own ground) were given a penalty, for contact made AFTER the ball had been played (to a player in an offside position) & this gift was given by nonother than v.a.r. overturning the original decision.

Now, the calls are for v.a.r. to do the absolute opposite, & take away a penalty from someone still in possession of the ball, after the challenge. It's a fucking pen, with or without v.a.r. & nobody would even be discussing it, if it happened against us.

Same with Bernardo the other day. Happened right in front of me, at the ground, bloke bounces into his leg: clear & obvious PENALTY. Afterwards, all this shit about it being 'soft'.

Look at it in real time, rather than diffusing the effect of the contact with slomo.

And the offside was a close offside. We've had scores of them, for & against. More against. Striker got the benefit, wasn't obvious, get on with it.
 
Marvin said:
I did this using BBC footage. It's not inline. I think he's a foot offside.

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do you know what the most illuminating part of this picture is? line up the 6-yard line and the 18-yard line - they are so far off being parallel it raises qu's about all those lines you see on tv about offsides etc.... is this camera distortion? surely the groundsman cant have been that pissed? (or does Marvin have a spherical telly?)
 
shemnel said:
do you know what the most illuminating part of this picture is? line up the 6-yard line and the 18-yard line - they are so far off being parallel it raises qu's about all those lines you see on tv about offsides etc.... is this camera distortion? surely the groundsman cant have been that pissed? (or does Marvin have a spherical telly?)
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According to rules played in the Champions league, until Aguero ATTEMPTS to get the ball he's classed as onside, this is where the Swansea player is clearly pushing Aguero in the neck/back so it would have resulted in a penalty with VAR, or did I dream those rules were applied to us at Shalke (Fernandinho).
 
cleavers said:
Brilliant post match

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Excellent.

He's spot on about being 'there' involved in stuff.

Liverpool have had a bizarre season for picking up points, sometimes with performances that would normally not merit it, but after getting 100 points last season, we haven't thrown the towel in, like the previous title winning teams did, yet we've had players missing, playing out of position, all kinds of stuff. We are still there, involved.

That's all I ask for at the start of a season on the whole. If you stay close most of the time, you win sometimes.
 
Brendan110_0 said:
According to rules played in the Champions league, until Aguero ATTEMPTS to get the ball he's classed as onside, this is where the Swansea player is clearly pushing Aguero in the neck/back so it would have resulted in a penalty with VAR, or did I dream those rules were applied to us at Shalke (Fernandinho).
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That's how the rules were applied at the swamp, earlier in the competition, to give them a penalty.
 
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