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It's a massive victory for the Turks they will have a vassal state right in the heart of the Middle East it's been speculated that this outcome was engineered by them the weakening of Iran and Russian they aim to be the dominant power in the Middle East (which of course historically they always were, and we can't forget Qatar in all of this

It's a nightmare for israel to have a powerful country right on the border, the Iranians have been seen as a paper tiger (I expect the blowback from this to eventually reach Iran) I believe we are witnessing the partial reformation of the ottoman empire in all but name (and if you can get shares in Turkish Construction Companies because they will be doing all the reconstruction work in Syria and beyond)
I’m unclear why a relatively secular, western-looking, more dominant Turkey that is part of NATO - in conjunction with a weakened Iran, is a bad thing for Israel.
 
I’m unclear why a relatively secular, western-looking, more dominant Turkey that is part of NATO - in conjunction with a weakened Iran, is a bad thing for Israel.
Turkey has become slightly less secular since the election of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan about ten years ago, but is still secular compared to most states in the region. But will that change if Erdogan remains in power?
 
I’m unclear why a relatively secular, western-looking, more dominant Turkey that is part of NATO - in conjunction with a weakened Iran, is a bad thing for Israel.
Huge win for Israel. Cuts down the Iranian footprint and with it the supply of weaponry to hamas. I lose track of which islamist nutters are friends with which other islamist nutters tbh.
 
Turkey has become slightly less secular since the election of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan about ten years ago, but is still secular compared to most states in the region. But will that change if Erdogan remains in power?

He's not exactly popular, I don't think he can go much further to the religious side and retain much support in the big Cities.
 
Turkey has become slightly less secular since the election of Recep Tayyip Erdoğan about ten years ago, but is still secular compared to most states in the region. But will that change if Erdogan remains in power?
Yes, Erdogan is no angel, but I’ve never got a sense he (or Turkey more widely) is philosophically opposed to the existence of Israel (happy yo be corrected if I’m wrong).

I know Turkish-Israeli relations have worsened since October 7th but I don’t see that schism as permanent or irreparable. I think Isreal would certainly welcome a more dominant Turkey if it meant Iran’s influence waning. I think most of the middle east would.
 
It's a massive victory for the Turks they will have a vassal state right in the heart of the Middle East it's been speculated that this outcome was engineered by them the weakening of Iran and Russian they aim to be the dominant power in the Middle East (which of course historically they always were, and we can't forget Qatar in all of this

It's a nightmare for israel to have a powerful country right on the border, the Iranians have been seen as a paper tiger (I expect the blowback from this to eventually reach Iran) I believe we are witnessing the partial reformation of the ottoman empire in all but name (and if you can get shares in Turkish Construction Companies because they will be doing all the reconstruction work in Syria and beyond)
Not sure why it would be more of a nightmare for Israel to have a Turkish proxy on its border than an Iranian one. Unless Erdogan wants to do a Putin and rebuild the Ottoman empire to its maximum extent which would include Israel, the North African coast, Iraq, Greece and several other countries there should actually be a huge opportunity for Israel to improve relations on its northern border. Unfortunately with its current leadership that’s unlikely to happen but Netanyahu won’t be there forever.
 

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