Syria (merged)

[BlueHammer85]

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis is leading the Catholic Church on an extraordinary campaign to prevent President Barack Obama's proposed military strike on Syria.

On Sept. 4, the pope appealed to leaders of the G-20 nations to "lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution" to the Syrian civil war and promote instead a "peaceful solution through dialogue and negotiation." The next day, his foreign minister sent the same message in a special meeting with the Vatican diplomatic corps. And on Sept. 7, the pope was scheduled to lead a prayer vigil for Syria in St. Peter's Square -- an event that the Vatican spokesman, Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, said would be unprecedented, in both scale and importance of setting, as a papal gesture for peace.

Why does the pope get a say in this? If we do bomb Syria , dropping a couple on the Vatican wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

They should stick to fucking kids and laundering money.

Because he has a far bigger influence on shaping Americas foreign policy's than some guy on a message forum

 

[Rammyblues]

What do the Syrian people want? I bet they haven't been asked. Do they want to be killed by American missiles? I suspect not.

They have no oil, use of weapons is expensive and we are broke and we import a lot of gas from Russia. Seems common sense has prevailed as far as we are concerned. Let the Syrians sort it out.

 

[bluemoon32]

So, to sum it up........to save the Syrian people from being killed by Assad the Yanks are going to bomb the shit out of these very same Syrian people ?
I can see a pretty fcuking big issue with the above

 

[rick773]

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis is leading the Catholic Church on an extraordinary campaign to prevent President Barack Obama's proposed military strike on Syria.

On Sept. 4, the pope appealed to leaders of the G-20 nations to "lay aside the futile pursuit of a military solution" to the Syrian civil war and promote instead a "peaceful solution through dialogue and negotiation." The next day, his foreign minister sent the same message in a special meeting with the Vatican diplomatic corps. And on Sept. 7, the pope was scheduled to lead a prayer vigil for Syria in St. Peter's Square -- an event that the Vatican spokesman, Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, said would be unprecedented, in both scale and importance of setting, as a papal gesture for peace.

Why does the pope get a say in this? If we do bomb Syria , dropping a couple on the Vatican wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

They should stick to fucking kids and laundering money.

Because he has a far bigger influence on shaping Americas foreign policy's than some guy on a message forum

Between the Jews, Saudis , and now apparently Catholics who decides on which day they decide America's foreign policy?

 

[Chancy Termites]

What do the Syrian people want? I bet they haven't been asked. Do they want to be killed by American missiles? I suspect not.

They have no oil, use of weapons is expensive and we are broke and we import a lot of gas from Russia. Seems common sense has prevailed as far as we are concerned. Let the Syrians sort it out.

Interesting article about oil in the part of Syria that remains illegally occupied by Israel, many years after UN resolutions demanding it to be given back. Israel have sold oil prospecting rights there, in spite of it not being theirs.
http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archi...il-rights-in-syria-to-murdoch-and-rothschild/

Please note that the author is a former ambassador (who was forced to resign after complaining that the Blair government was using 'evidence' obtained by torture in Uzbekistan to justify his desire to start wars in Iraq and Afganistan). He's worth listening to, and look who he says the exploration rights have been granted to.

There is plenty more oil there as well as a huge amount of shale gas.
http://www.ibtimes.com/syrian-oil-g...-syrias-energy-resources-russias-help-1402405

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Why does the pope get a say in this? If we do bomb Syria , dropping a couple on the Vatican wouldn't be the worst thing in the world.

They should stick to fucking kids and laundering money.

Because he has a far bigger influence on shaping Americas foreign policy's than some guy on a message forum

Between the Jews, Saudis , and now apparently Catholics who decides on which day they decide America's foreign policy?

Under hypocrisy rules it is Muslims on Fridays, Jews on Saturdays, Catholics on Sundays. The rest of the week is sorting out the paperwork - that's why it's called the working week.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Interesting article and comments and linked articles in the Telegraph: Strike on Syria would be risky in many ways.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Britain sent poison gas chemicals to Assad: Proof that the UK delivered Sarin agent to Syrian regime for SIX years

 

[Plaything of the gods]

US 'backed plan to launch chemical weapon attack on Syria, blame it on Assad govt'

London, Jan 30 (ANI): The Obama administration gave green signal to a chemical weapons attack plan in Syria that could be blamed on President Bashar al Assad's regime and in turn, spur international military action in the devastated country, leaked documents have shown.

A new report, that contains an email exchange between two senior officials at British-based contractor Britam Defence, showed a scheme 'approved by Washington'.

As per the scheme 'Qatar would fund rebel forces in Syria to use chemical weapons,' the Daily Mail reports.

Barack Obama made it clear to Syrian president Bashar al-Assad last month that the U.S. would not tolerate Syria using chemical weapons against its own people.

According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

The emails were released by a Malaysian hacker who also obtained senior executives resumes and copies of passports via an unprotected company server, according to Cyber War News.

According to the paper, the U.S. State Department has declined to comment on the matter. (ANI)

The story appeared in the Mail Online on 29 January 2013 but was soon pulled, although not before the news scanning services had picked it up: http://ww.info.co.uk/us+backed+plan+to+launch+chemical+weapon+attack+on+syria

Here is an archived version of the original Mail Online article, with reader comments: http://web.archive.org/web/20130130...chemical-weapon-attack-Syria-blame-Assad.html

Extract:

According to Infowars.com, the December 25 email was sent from Britam's Business Development Director David Goulding to company founder Philip Doughty.

It reads: 'Phil... We’ve got a new offer. It’s about Syria again. Qataris propose an attractive deal and swear that the idea is approved by Washington.

'We’ll have to deliver a CW to Homs, a Soviet origin g-shell from Libya similar to those that Assad should have.

'They want us to deploy our Ukrainian personnel that should speak Russian and make a video record.

'Frankly, I don’t think it’s a good idea but the sums proposed are enormous. Your opinion?

'Kind regards, David.'

 

[rick773]

Britain sent poison gas chemicals to Assad: Proof that the UK delivered Sarin agent to Syrian regime for SIX years

I guess this means bombing where the weapons are made is off the table.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

http://www.sott.net/article/262850-...yria-two-years-before-Syrian-revolution-began

Former French foreign minister: UK government prepared war in Syria two years before 'Syrian revolution' began

La Chaîne parlementaire
Mon, 17 Jun 2013 04:11 CDT

France's Former Foreign Minister, Roland Dumas, has stated in a televised program on LCP that UK government officials not only told him about preparations for war in Syria two years prior to the start of the fake revolution there in 2011, and the subsequent 'civil war' conducted by Western intelligence agencies that has killed 100,000 civilians to date, they also tried to enlist him to support their evil cause.

The reason Dumas gives for this war is that Syria is perceived by Israel to be a regional competitor and thus became a target for Western-backed 'régime change'.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-s2AAh06I[/youtube]

From Wiki:

On 29 May 2011, along with attorney Jacques Vergès, Dumas announced plans to sue French President Nicholas Sarkozy for crimes against humanity in relation to the NATO bombing campaign against the Gaddafi government as part of the 2011 Libyan civil war. A Gaddafi government spokesman made a concurrent announcement, seeming to endorse the legal action.

In a program which aired on Libya's Al-Jamahiriya TV on May 29, 2011 (as translated by MEMRI), Dumas sharply criticzed Sarkozy, stating that "the only thing I know [about French Leaders] is that they have gone crazy. President Sarkozy hosted Qadhafi a few months ago at the Élysée Palace, with a red carpet and all the grandiose honors. Two months later, Sarkozy is leading a crusader war, at the head of NATO, which has become a pawn serving international politics. This has been going on for a long time." He further stated that "I regret to see my country, to which I belong with spirit, blood, and life, leading an instrument such as NATO to come and destroy an entire people and attack its leaders."

Very interesting body language by the other three interviewees - the one next to Dumas and the two opposite - in that programme. I wonder what their angles were. They were clearly bothered by what the nonagenarian was lucidly explaining.

 

[brady0]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David-Goulding-Philip-Doughty.html

See the above for an apology from the Mail regarding the Britam Defence 'leak'.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/article-2311199/Britam-Defence-David-Goulding-Philip-Doughty.html

See the above for an apology from the Mail regarding the Britam Defence 'leak'.

Well that's a relief.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Interesting move from the Russians today asking Assad to let an international force take over the chemical weapons site and destroy them, also getting them to join the non chemical weapons agreement.

Stalling tactics , a way to make USA look bad if they bomb or a stroke of genius that might actually help the situation if done as agreed?

Surely if done by UN force it would guarantee that they won't be used again in Syria or seized by rebels.....while bombing them won't guarantee anything.

Thoughts?

 

[Josh Blue]

Interesting move from the Russians today asking Assad to let an international force take over the chemical weapons site and destroy them, also getting them to join the non chemical weapons agreement.

Stalling tactics , a way to make USA look bad if they bomb or a stroke of genius that might actually help the situation if done as agreed?

Surely if done by UN force it would guarantee that they won't be used again in Syria or seized by rebels.....while bombing them won't guarantee anything.

Thoughts?

Markt85 says bomb them then deal with it later.

 

[buzzer1]

Interesting move from the Russians today asking Assad to let an international force take over the chemical weapons site and destroy them, also getting them to join the non chemical weapons agreement.

Stalling tactics , a way to make USA look bad if they bomb or a stroke of genius that might actually help the situation if done as agreed?

Surely if done by UN force it would guarantee that they won't be used again in Syria or seized by rebels.....while bombing them won't guarantee anything.

Thoughts?

Markt85 says bomb them then deal with it later.

Yeah great idea that like:/

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Interesting move from the Russians today asking Assad to let an international force take over the chemical weapons site and destroy them, also getting them to join the non chemical weapons agreement.

Stalling tactics , a way to make USA look bad if they bomb or a stroke of genius that might actually help the situation if done as agreed?

Surely if done by UN force it would guarantee that they won't be used again in Syria or seized by rebels.....while bombing them won't guarantee anything.

Thoughts?

So, G20 meeting a few days ago. John Kerry makes an offhand suggestion this morning. Russia jumps on it and brings in the UN. It gives Assad an out. Obama an out. Saves the Russians having to admit there might be something in the evidence so gives them an out.

You don't think this little plot was hatched behind closed doors over a vodka or two by any chance?

 

[Balti]

Interesting move from the Russians today asking Assad to let an international force take over the chemical weapons site and destroy them, also getting them to join the non chemical weapons agreement.

Stalling tactics , a way to make USA look bad if they bomb or a stroke of genius that might actually help the situation if done as agreed?

Surely if done by UN force it would guarantee that they won't be used again in Syria or seized by rebels.....while bombing them won't guarantee anything.

Thoughts?

So, G20 meeting a few days ago. John Kerry makes an offhand suggestion this morning. Russia jumps on it and brings in the UN. It gives Assad an out. Obama an out. Saves the Russians having to admit there might be something in the evidence so gives them an out.

You don't think this little plot was hatched behind closed doors over a vodka or two by any chance?

cynic! ;-)

 

[Chancy Termites]

Anyone remember the UN weapons inspectors who went to Syria a couple of days before the "chemical weapons attack", then left over a week ago? You know the ones I mean, the ones who were going to provide "the proof" that Assad was to blame. Whatever happened to them?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Anyone remember the UN weapons inspectors who went to Syria a couple of days before the "chemical weapons attack", then left over a week ago? You know the ones I mean, the ones who were going to provide "the proof" that Assad was to blame. Whatever happened to them?

They are due to report mid September and will offer nothing as to who used the chemicals only whether or not chemicals were used.

and coincidently? Ban the Man has had this to say today:

United Nations News Centre

9 September 2013 – United Nations Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon today said that two-and-half years of conflict in Syria have produced only “embarrassing paralysis” in the Security Council and that he was considering proposals to the 15-member body in the search for a political solution.

In his first press conference since returning to New York from the G20 Summit in St. Petersburg, Mr. Ban said that should a UN weapons team confirm use of chemical agents in the 21 August incident in Syria, it would be an “abominable crime” and the international community “would certainly have to do something about it.”

“The Syrian people need peace,” he declared.

“Should Dr. Sellström’s report confirm the use of chemical weapons, then this would surely be something around which the Security Council could unite in response - and indeed something that should merit universal condemnation,” Mr. Ban told reporters.

The UN chief added that he is already considering “certain proposals that I could make to the Security Council” when presenting the investigation team’s report.

Those include urging the Council to demand the immediate transfer of Syria’s chemical weapons and chemical precursor stocks to places inside Syria where they can be safely stored and destroyed, Mr. Ban said.

He also urged Damascus to become a party to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which is the implementing body of the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).

Syria is not a party CWC, but it is a party to the Geneva (Protocol) of 1925 which prohibits the use of chemical and biological weapons, according to the OPCW.

In response to a question about how quickly the UN can act, if Syria agrees to a transfer of its alleged chemical weapons stock under international control, Mr. Ban said he is sure that the international community will take “very swift action” to make safely store and destroy the chemical weapons stocks.

Meanwhile, the biomedical and environmental samples taken by the UN chemical weapons inspection team have been undergoing analysis in Europe since last week.

Mr. Ban has said he would promptly share the results of the analyses with the 15-member Security Council and all 193 Member States.

Addressing journalists, the UN chief again reiterated the need to come together for a so-called Geneva II conference, which would include representatives of Syrian parties as well as senior United States, Russian and UN officials, to find a political path out of the crisis in the country.

A political solution “is the only viable option at this time”, Mr. Ban said, adding that he and Joint UN-Arab League Special Representative Lakhdar Brahimi, who was also in St. Petersburg, have been working very closely with Moscow and Washington to get all parties to the table.

The UN chief noted that Syria dominated the G20 talks “in a way no other political development has ever done.”

In addition to those discussions at the summit and on the sidelines, Mr. Ban said there was progress on growth, jobs, trade and investment.

Mr. Ban said he was “encouraged” by the response to this call for concentrated actions to achieve the eight anti-poverty targets known as the Millennium Development Goals (MDGs), define a global development agenda beyond 2015, and addressing climate change.

He looks forward to building on the G20 discussions at the high-level General Assembly debate later this month at the UN Headquarters in New York.

Guess he was at the vodka bar too!