Syria (merged)

[Chancy Termites]

Interesting that the British, French and American regimes all pushed for military action to take place in late August, when that report isn't due out until mid September, don't you think?

Today's developments are certainly interesting - Kerry said that there would be no need to attack Syria if they gave up their chemical weapons. The Syrian government called his bluff and offered to disclose full details of their chemical weapon stocks to the UN and let the UN take control of them. Russia quickly agreed it was a good idea. The UN had no choice but to agree and now, when the US and UK finally do attack Syria, everyone will have to agree that it was pure naked agression for our own ends after all. A few hundred dead British soldiers, a few hundred thousand dead Syrians but American corporations will have a huge extra pile of oil and gas that they can sell to Britain, making it all worthwhile.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Interesting that the British, French and American regimes all pushed for military action to take place in late August, when that report isn't due out until mid September, don't you think?

Today's developments are certainly interesting - Kerry said that there would be no need to attack Syria if they gave up their chemical weapons. The Syrian government called his bluff and offered to disclose full details of their chemical weapon stocks to the UN and let the UN take control of them. Russia quickly agreed it was a good idea. The UN had no choice but to agree and now, when the US and UK finally do attack Syria, everyone will have to agree that it was pure naked agression for our own ends after all. A few hundred dead British soldiers, a few hundred thousand dead Syrians but American corporations will have a huge extra pile of oil and gas that they can sell to Britain, making it all worthwhile.

And Russia will have lost their only Mediterranean base. Except it won't happen. Obama has been huffing and puffing at a brick house ever since our glorious MPs kicked over Cameron's sand castle.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Interesting that the British, French and American regimes all pushed for military action to take place in late August, when that report isn't due out until mid September, don't you think?

Today's developments are certainly interesting - Kerry said that there would be no need to attack Syria if they gave up their chemical weapons. The Syrian government called his bluff and offered to disclose full details of their chemical weapon stocks to the UN and let the UN take control of them. Russia quickly agreed it was a good idea. The UN had no choice but to agree and now, when the US and UK finally do attack Syria, everyone will have to agree that it was pure naked agression for our own ends after all. A few hundred dead British soldiers, a few hundred thousand dead Syrians but American corporations will have a huge extra pile of oil and gas that they can sell to Britain, making it all worthwhile.

You're a little confused. The Syrian Government have said fuck all.

We all know Sarin was used. The UN will only confirm it. When they do the Russians will have to insist it was the Rebels which everyone now knows is not the case because the yanks have disclosed the fact that they are tracing every artillery and rocket. Not something they really wanted to do as it lets out of the bag just how much else they know that they might not have wanted to admit to.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Interesting that the British, French and American regimes all pushed for military action to take place in late August, when that report isn't due out until mid September, don't you think?

Today's developments are certainly interesting - Kerry said that there would be no need to attack Syria if they gave up their chemical weapons. The Syrian government called his bluff and offered to disclose full details of their chemical weapon stocks to the UN and let the UN take control of them. Russia quickly agreed it was a good idea. The UN had no choice but to agree and now, when the US and UK finally do attack Syria, everyone will have to agree that it was pure naked agression for our own ends after all. A few hundred dead British soldiers, a few hundred thousand dead Syrians but American corporations will have a huge extra pile of oil and gas that they can sell to Britain, making it all worthwhile.

And Russia will have lost their only Mediterranean base. Except it won't happen. Obama has been huffing and puffing at a brick house ever since our glorious MPs kicked over Cameron's sand castle.

Russia lose their Mediterranean base if we/USA go and blow Syria to pieces. Sooner or later we're going to blow a country up for no good reason and the rest of the world's going to stop wanting to do any sort of business with us at all and will look for new friends, so Russia wins either way.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Interesting that the British, French and American regimes all pushed for military action to take place in late August, when that report isn't due out until mid September, don't you think?

Today's developments are certainly interesting - Kerry said that there would be no need to attack Syria if they gave up their chemical weapons. The Syrian government called his bluff and offered to disclose full details of their chemical weapon stocks to the UN and let the UN take control of them. Russia quickly agreed it was a good idea. The UN had no choice but to agree and now, when the US and UK finally do attack Syria, everyone will have to agree that it was pure naked agression for our own ends after all. A few hundred dead British soldiers, a few hundred thousand dead Syrians but American corporations will have a huge extra pile of oil and gas that they can sell to Britain, making it all worthwhile.

You're a little confused. The Syrian Government have said fuck all.

We all know Sarin was used. The UN will only confirm it. When they do the Russians will have to insist it was the Rebels which everyone now knows is not the case because the yanks have disclosed the fact that they are tracing every artillery and rocket. Not something they really wanted to do as it lets out of the bag just how much else they know that they might not have wanted to admit to.

The announcement came from Syria's foreign minister first and was immediately supported by Sergei Lavrov.

Nobody has any idea who used what sort of chemical weapons, although common sense would suggest that it defintely wouldn't have been the Syrian government. Yes, Russia has already suggested it was a deliberate false flag attack by Al Qaida and the other 'rebels', something that a lot of other people have suggested too, such as Ron Paul in the USA for example. The two main countries to suggest the Syrian government was behind it are the same two countries who blew up Iraq because they pretended Iraq was about to launch rockets at Europe and even copied and pasted bits of a student's history assignment into their report to prove that was the case.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

The US announced 10 days ago that they had documented evidence that the Syrian forces were responsible. However, I haven't heard that they have passed this evidence on to the UN or any other independent evaluators.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Interesting that the British, French and American regimes all pushed for military action to take place in late August, when that report isn't due out until mid September, don't you think?

Today's developments are certainly interesting - Kerry said that there would be no need to attack Syria if they gave up their chemical weapons. The Syrian government called his bluff and offered to disclose full details of their chemical weapon stocks to the UN and let the UN take control of them. Russia quickly agreed it was a good idea. The UN had no choice but to agree and now, when the US and UK finally do attack Syria, everyone will have to agree that it was pure naked agression for our own ends after all. A few hundred dead British soldiers, a few hundred thousand dead Syrians but American corporations will have a huge extra pile of oil and gas that they can sell to Britain, making it all worthwhile.

You're a little confused. The Syrian Government have said fuck all.

We all know Sarin was used. The UN will only confirm it. When they do the Russians will have to insist it was the Rebels which everyone now knows is not the case because the yanks have disclosed the fact that they are tracing every artillery and rocket. Not something they really wanted to do as it lets out of the bag just how much else they know that they might not have wanted to admit to.

The announcement came from Syria's foreign minister first and was immediately supported by Sergei Lavrov.

Nobody has any idea who used what sort of chemical weapons, although common sense would suggest that it defintely wouldn't have been the Syrian government. Yes, Russia has already suggested it was a deliberate false flag attack by Al Qaida and the other 'rebels', something that a lot of other people have suggested too, such as Ron Paul in the USA for example. The two main countries to suggest the Syrian government was behind it are the same two countries who blew up Iraq because they pretended Iraq was about to launch rockets at Europe and even copied and pasted bits of a student's history assignment into their report to prove that was the case.

Wrong.

15.15 Breaking: Sergei Lavrov has just called on Syria to hand over its chemical weapons. Remember earlier, John Kerry said that they would not launch an air strike if they handed over their chemical weapons in a week.

16.37 Syria's foreign minister has responded to Sergei Lavrov, saying:
Minister Lavrov proposed an initiative connected with chemical weapons. In connection with this I state: The Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, resulting from the Russian leadership’s concern for the lives of our citizens and the safety of our country.<br /><br />-- Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:46 pm --<br /><br />

The US announced 10 days ago that they had documented evidence that the Syrian forces were responsible. However, I haven't heard that they have passed this evidence on to the UN or any other independent evaluators.

It's been on USA.gov since then.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...n-government-s-use-chemical-weapons-august-21

Should I read it for you?

 

[Chancy Termites]

My apologies then - Lavrov then the Syrian foreign minister in that order, rather than the other way round. Don't see that it changes much else though?

 

[Benarbia_is_god]

Why are the Israelis so keen for America to attack Syria? They really are a bunch of bastards. The American-Israeli lobbying group AIPAC is to send 250 lobbyists to congressmen this week in an attempt to get them to back an attack on Syria. George Galloway is the only one talking sense!

 

[Plaything of the gods]

You're a little confused. The Syrian Government have said fuck all.

We all know Sarin was used. The UN will only confirm it. When they do the Russians will have to insist it was the Rebels which everyone now knows is not the case because the yanks have disclosed the fact that they are tracing every artillery and rocket. Not something they really wanted to do as it lets out of the bag just how much else they know that they might not have wanted to admit to.

The announcement came from Syria's foreign minister first and was immediately supported by Sergei Lavrov.

Nobody has any idea who used what sort of chemical weapons, although common sense would suggest that it defintely wouldn't have been the Syrian government. Yes, Russia has already suggested it was a deliberate false flag attack by Al Qaida and the other 'rebels', something that a lot of other people have suggested too, such as Ron Paul in the USA for example. The two main countries to suggest the Syrian government was behind it are the same two countries who blew up Iraq because they pretended Iraq was about to launch rockets at Europe and even copied and pasted bits of a student's history assignment into their report to prove that was the case.

Wrong.

15.15 Breaking: Sergei Lavrov has just called on Syria to hand over its chemical weapons. Remember earlier, John Kerry said that they would not launch an air strike if they handed over their chemical weapons in a week.

16.37 Syria's foreign minister has responded to Sergei Lavrov, saying:
Minister Lavrov proposed an initiative connected with chemical weapons. In connection with this I state: The Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, resulting from the Russian leadership’s concern for the lives of our citizens and the safety of our country.

-- Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:46 pm --

The US announced 10 days ago that they had documented evidence that the Syrian forces were responsible. However, I haven't heard that they have passed this evidence on to the UN or any other independent evaluators.

It's been on USA.gov since then.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...n-government-s-use-chemical-weapons-august-21

Should I read it for you?

Yes, please read the original source data out to me. I can read made-up summaries myself. We had that already with US and UK war sheets for Iraq thank you.

 

[Josh Blue]

Gelsons Dad why are u such a dumbass on this thread?

 

[Chancy Termites]

Why are the Israelis so keen for America to attack Syria? They really are a bunch of bastards. The American-Israeli lobbying group AIPAC is to send 250 lobbyists to congressmen this week in an attempt to get them to back an attack on Syria. George Galloway is the only one talking sense!

There's oil in the Golan Heights.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

The announcement came from Syria's foreign minister first and was immediately supported by Sergei Lavrov.

Nobody has any idea who used what sort of chemical weapons, although common sense would suggest that it defintely wouldn't have been the Syrian government. Yes, Russia has already suggested it was a deliberate false flag attack by Al Qaida and the other 'rebels', something that a lot of other people have suggested too, such as Ron Paul in the USA for example. The two main countries to suggest the Syrian government was behind it are the same two countries who blew up Iraq because they pretended Iraq was about to launch rockets at Europe and even copied and pasted bits of a student's history assignment into their report to prove that was the case.

Wrong.

15.15 Breaking: Sergei Lavrov has just called on Syria to hand over its chemical weapons. Remember earlier, John Kerry said that they would not launch an air strike if they handed over their chemical weapons in a week.

16.37 Syria's foreign minister has responded to Sergei Lavrov, saying:
Minister Lavrov proposed an initiative connected with chemical weapons. In connection with this I state: The Syrian Arab Republic welcomes the Russian initiative, resulting from the Russian leadership’s concern for the lives of our citizens and the safety of our country.

-- Mon Sep 09, 2013 10:46 pm --

The US announced 10 days ago that they had documented evidence that the Syrian forces were responsible. However, I haven't heard that they have passed this evidence on to the UN or any other independent evaluators.

It's been on USA.gov since then.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press...n-government-s-use-chemical-weapons-august-21

Should I read it for you?

Yes, please read the original source data out to me. I can read made-up summaries myself. We had that already with US and UK war sheets for Iraq thank you.

and i've just been called a dumbass!

Should I give you the names of the field agents or just the keys to the secrets cabinet? The NGO who assessed the injuries was MCF as I mentioned much earlier in this thread.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

MSF gave the first report of the incident but what has that got to do with what the US know about who did it?

 

[Skashion]

The fact of the matter is that we can't rely on our government's say so. We know they lie. They are habitually exposed by the likes of Bradley (Chelsea) Manning, Edward Snowden, Wikileaks, Anonymous, and other leakers. We cannot rely on trust. We need to see the evidence, but we won't because governments will just claim it's a national security matter. Therein lies the problem. If you are going to hide secrets from the people, and you use that veil to lie, and your lies are found out, the people won't believe you anymore. Most people are taught this lesson as children. It was called crying wolf. Just glad we won't be involved in any military action.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

MSF gave the first report of the incident but what has that got to do with what the US know about who did it?

Who did it is deduced by knowing the location of every rocket and artillery launch and impact site tied to the resulting symptoms of the victims in those areas.

MSF reported the symptoms and provided samples for analysis. This confirmed the use of Sarin or related agents.

So either the Assad regime somehow knew that the rebels had stashed previously unknown caches of Sarin in multiple locations and launched a targeted attack using unguided weapons which got miraculously lucky and hit with the type of accuracy that the best laser guided weapons can only hope to achieve, or the sarin was in the rockets.

Will the US disclose how they monitor weapon firing? Not to the general public. But the UK has the same capability. They will to elected members of congress and the Russians know as well as NATO states that this is accurate. So the only doubt can be wether the Sarin was in the rockets or on the ground. What do you think is more likely?

 

[Plaything of the gods]

MSF gave the first report of the incident but what has that got to do with what the US know about who did it?

Who did it is deduced by knowing the location of every rocket and artillery launch and impact site tied to the resulting symptoms of the victims in those areas.

MSF reported the symptoms and provided samples for analysis. This confirmed the use of Sarin or related agents.

So either the Assad regime somehow knew that the rebels had stashed previously unknown caches of Sarin in multiple locations and launched a targeted attack using unguided weapons which got miraculously lucky and hit with the type of accuracy that the best laser guided weapons can only hope to achieve, or the sarin was in the rockets.

Will the US disclose how they monitor weapon firing? Not to the general public. But the UK has the same capability. They will to elected members of congress and the Russians know as well as NATO states that this is accurate. So the only doubt can be wether the Sarin was in the rockets or on the ground. What do you think is more likely?

But my point was this: has the US disclosed its source information to the UN? And if not, why not? What could they be afraid of? As Skash has just said, why should we take our governments' word at face value after all the lies they have been shown to have been telling?

 

[Gelsons Dad]

MSF gave the first report of the incident but what has that got to do with what the US know about who did it?

Who did it is deduced by knowing the location of every rocket and artillery launch and impact site tied to the resulting symptoms of the victims in those areas.

MSF reported the symptoms and provided samples for analysis. This confirmed the use of Sarin or related agents.

So either the Assad regime somehow knew that the rebels had stashed previously unknown caches of Sarin in multiple locations and launched a targeted attack using unguided weapons which got miraculously lucky and hit with the type of accuracy that the best laser guided weapons can only hope to achieve, or the sarin was in the rockets.

Will the US disclose how they monitor weapon firing? Not to the general public. But the UK has the same capability. They will to elected members of congress and the Russians know as well as NATO states that this is accurate. So the only doubt can be wether the Sarin was in the rockets or on the ground. What do you think is more likely?

But my point was this: has the US disclosed its source information to the UN? And if not, why not? What could they be afraid of? As Skash has just said, why should we take our governments' word at face value after all the lies they have been shown to have been telling?

In his first press conference since returning to New York from the G20 Summit in St. Petersburg, Mr. Ban said that should a UN weapons team confirm use of chemical agents in the 21 August incident in Syria, it would be an “abominable crime” and the international community “would certainly have to do something about it.”

“The Syrian people need peace,” he declared.

“Should Dr. Sellström’s report confirm the use of chemical weapons, then this would surely be something around which the Security Council could unite in response - and indeed something that should merit universal condemnation,” Mr. Ban told reporters.

The UN chief added that he is already considering “certain proposals that I could make to the Security Council” when presenting the investigation team’s report.

Those include urging the Council to demand the immediate transfer of Syria’s chemical weapons and chemical precursor stocks to places inside Syria where they can be safely stored and destroyed, Mr. Ban said.

He also urged Damascus to become a party to the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons (OPCW), which is the implementing body of the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).

Syria is not a party CWC, but it is a party to the Geneva (Protocol) of 1925 which prohibits the use of chemical and biological weapons, according to the OPCW.

Ban only talked about Syria's chemical weapons so one can assume he has an opinion which must be founded on something.

The US will not disclose it's sources to the UN nor should it, but it will brief in private. Both the US and the UK have opposition governments in power compared to Iraq II which I agree was criminal. All any government can do is make it's case as well as it can without compromising it's own security. It's up to individuals to judge. I don't hold the current government responsible for the previous governments crimes and am prepared to take their word until they are proved to be wrong. So far the overwhelming evidence in this case stands with the case for Assad being responsible.

 

[Plaything of the gods]

Well, as I said in my first post in this thread (page 70 if I remember correctly), these client state and client rebels situations will continue to blow up until the UN Security Council acquires a moral basis. And with so much commercial greed and pursuit of (immediate and short-term) national interests around, I can't see that happening any time soon, if ever.

 

[blueonblue]

So nice to see Obarmy back peddling with shit all over his face, the little turd was hell bent on bombing but the ruskies have chopped him off at the knee`s now.
He was trying his best to swing the two houses to give him some kind of backing, but even that was looking dodgy as the voters made it clear they did not support any action without proof, and the threat of impeachment stopped him going for it alone..............F*ck him for numpty he is ;0)