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Tackle watch
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stonerblue
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How Scholes didn't get a straight red for that 'tackle' i'll never know.
M18CTID
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100%blue said:gerrygowsjockstrap said:Said on football focus that there was typical Scholes tackle. They have always made a joke of it. Why is the question that should have been answered by now. He should have had a record for red cards. Then you have bacon face complaining the Bolton lad did'nt get sent off when the pen was given. Did'nt Mancini get slagged for saying about Johnson's tackle. 1 rule for 1 another for every other manager.
Didn't scholes say after he retired that a lot of those bad tackles were retribution for tackles on him?. Wenger got it right about him when he said scholes has a sinister side..
He did indeed. Admitted that some of them weren't just down to "bad timing". Yet many pundits still think it's funny when he does it. Astonishing.
quiet_riot
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Scholes' late, high, studs showing air kick at the ball which connected with an ooponent is exactly what got him sent off at Wembley against us.
quiet_riot said:Scholes' late, high, studs showing air kick at the ball which connected with an ooponent is exactly what got him sent off at Wembley against us.
He's still got some of Zabs thigh muscle stuck between his studs..
TheMightyQuinn
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To be fair to Scholes, which isn't in my nature, if his lunges and assaults were consistently punished, you'd have expected him to curb them earlier in his career but as every decision seems to be randomly made, there's no incentive for him to reel himself in.
Likewise when Kompany's back, you'd expect the PL/FA to see that he's learnt his lesson and is loathe to make a similar tackle to the one he made on Nani but as he's seen numerous tackles since, which were much worse, go completely unpunished you can forgive the guy for not really knowing what he can or can't do and that's the real problem here.
The inconsistency on a decision to decision basis makes it impossible for players to know what they can/can't get away with in games. Torres was booked yesterday for diving despite being clearly fouled yet the likes of Suarez get away with blatant dives every week.
If every decision, or even 90% of decisions were made consistently, players would know where they stood but as every decision appears to be made up on the spot, you can forgive players for repeat offences in this respect in so much that they're never really sure where they stand regarding the rules.
Until the rules are clear to players and fans and the referees apply the rules consistently, we're going to be having these discussions every single fucking week. Indeed the inconsistencies work in the favour of the divers and cheats as these players know they can get away with this behaviour. If 9/10 red card tackles were given red cards, you'd expect to see much less, likewise the divers, if the majority of dives were correctly punished you'd surely expect to see a reduction in them.
As things stand, not one of us can predict what any ref will give regarding any single decision, nor can the players or managers and it stinks.
People can laugh it off as 'part of the game' but that's bullshit. The rules should be the rules but the simple fact is that the rules appear to be applied when the ref can be bothered and at other times totally ignored which creates an uncertainty which will only breed cheats, claims of favouritism and conspiracy and ensure we're all having this conversation on a weekly basis.
Likewise when Kompany's back, you'd expect the PL/FA to see that he's learnt his lesson and is loathe to make a similar tackle to the one he made on Nani but as he's seen numerous tackles since, which were much worse, go completely unpunished you can forgive the guy for not really knowing what he can or can't do and that's the real problem here.
The inconsistency on a decision to decision basis makes it impossible for players to know what they can/can't get away with in games. Torres was booked yesterday for diving despite being clearly fouled yet the likes of Suarez get away with blatant dives every week.
If every decision, or even 90% of decisions were made consistently, players would know where they stood but as every decision appears to be made up on the spot, you can forgive players for repeat offences in this respect in so much that they're never really sure where they stand regarding the rules.
Until the rules are clear to players and fans and the referees apply the rules consistently, we're going to be having these discussions every single fucking week. Indeed the inconsistencies work in the favour of the divers and cheats as these players know they can get away with this behaviour. If 9/10 red card tackles were given red cards, you'd expect to see much less, likewise the divers, if the majority of dives were correctly punished you'd surely expect to see a reduction in them.
As things stand, not one of us can predict what any ref will give regarding any single decision, nor can the players or managers and it stinks.
People can laugh it off as 'part of the game' but that's bullshit. The rules should be the rules but the simple fact is that the rules appear to be applied when the ref can be bothered and at other times totally ignored which creates an uncertainty which will only breed cheats, claims of favouritism and conspiracy and ensure we're all having this conversation on a weekly basis.
The FA bring in these rules to protect players from serious injury or even carreer ending ones...the fact that so many players still go in 2 footed is due to the refs not doing their jobs properly to protect players...if they were doing their jobs properly then two footed challenges would be a thing of the past.
Its been what?? 3 years since the Eduardo takle and players are still playing a very dangerous game...
Its been what?? 3 years since the Eduardo takle and players are still playing a very dangerous game...
blue12
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Watched parts of the scum game yesterday on Norwegian tv on my satellite and I saw the tackle has it happened,the pundit and commentator were laughing and in general making a joke about him tackling that way.gerrygowsjockstrap said:Said on football focus that there was typical Scholes tackle. They have always made a joke of it. Why is the question that should have been answered by now. He should have had a record for red cards. Then you have bacon face complaining the Bolton lad did'nt get sent off when the pen was given. Did'nt Mancini get slagged for saying about Johnson's tackle. 1 rule for 1 another for every other manager.
It's a fucking joke,that was a straight red all day long,this week has highlighted the absolute ineptitude of refs in this country and I don't think the players know what's correct and what's not.
By the way scholes's challenge is not acceptable in any game of football anywhere the w....r knows exactly what he's doing.
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While I know this is a forum and different things are discussed all the time, Vincent himself has said we all need to move on, not compare different tackles to each other and that he doesn't want to see a spate of cards all over the place.
"I appealed because I obviously completely disagreed with the interpretation of the officials on the day but that happens in football and we move on.
"I wonder though if we are now going to see an unprecedented wave of red cards on match days because we sanction "if's" and "maybe's"? Are we going to look back at video evidence for every single challenge that goes unnoticed by the officials, look at different scenarios and potential outcomes of what could have been considered a good tackle and then sanction it?
"Players and managers are starting to expect more sending offs from referees and I think it's for the wrong reasons.
"My understanding is that English football prides itself on the hardness, the fairness and the tradition of its game. That is why hundreds of millions of people tune in to watch Premier League football and English referees have always been a key factor to that success in my opinion.
"So I don't agree with people saying that referees in this country aren't doing well as I think they are the best in the world. Hopefully common sense will prevail again in the future and I for one hope not to see consistency in sending offs and suspensions when the intent of a player is to win the ball."
The captain has spoken!
"I appealed because I obviously completely disagreed with the interpretation of the officials on the day but that happens in football and we move on.
"I wonder though if we are now going to see an unprecedented wave of red cards on match days because we sanction "if's" and "maybe's"? Are we going to look back at video evidence for every single challenge that goes unnoticed by the officials, look at different scenarios and potential outcomes of what could have been considered a good tackle and then sanction it?
"Players and managers are starting to expect more sending offs from referees and I think it's for the wrong reasons.
"My understanding is that English football prides itself on the hardness, the fairness and the tradition of its game. That is why hundreds of millions of people tune in to watch Premier League football and English referees have always been a key factor to that success in my opinion.
"So I don't agree with people saying that referees in this country aren't doing well as I think they are the best in the world. Hopefully common sense will prevail again in the future and I for one hope not to see consistency in sending offs and suspensions when the intent of a player is to win the ball."
The captain has spoken!
Flicking through the sports channels last night and came across ESPN "Premier League Classics" Newcastle V Man United,It was a good few years old Keegan managing The bar codes,picture the scene united 3 goals down,Cantona goes in two footed on Peter Beardsley one foot catches Beardsley's Knee the other straight in the balls,play on says the ref.Beardsley doesn't move for 3-4 mins.Sorry to say united got hammered 5 zip (snigger).Some teams have been getting away with dirty tackles for years,no change there then.
1961_vintage
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Derry's just done a Newc lad - stretchered-off as a result.
Chris Foy the ref - yellow card.
Incompetent cnut has a lot to answer for.
Chris Foy the ref - yellow card.
Incompetent cnut has a lot to answer for.
TheMightyQuinn
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danburge82 said:While I know this is a forum and different things are discussed all the time, Vincent himself has said we all need to move on, not compare different tackles to each other and that he doesn't want to see a spate of cards all over the place.
"I appealed because I obviously completely disagreed with the interpretation of the officials on the day but that happens in football and we move on.
"I wonder though if we are now going to see an unprecedented wave of red cards on match days because we sanction "if's" and "maybe's"? Are we going to look back at video evidence for every single challenge that goes unnoticed by the officials, look at different scenarios and potential outcomes of what could have been considered a good tackle and then sanction it?
"Players and managers are starting to expect more sending offs from referees and I think it's for the wrong reasons.
"My understanding is that English football prides itself on the hardness, the fairness and the tradition of its game. That is why hundreds of millions of people tune in to watch Premier League football and English referees have always been a key factor to that success in my opinion.
"So I don't agree with people saying that referees in this country aren't doing well as I think they are the best in the world. Hopefully common sense will prevail again in the future and I for one hope not to see consistency in sending offs and suspensions when the intent of a player is to win the ball."
The captain has spoken!
He has to be diplomatic and it's to his credit that he's acting in such a manner.
It doesn't change the fact that we're all going into every game not wondering what piece of magic Silva or Aguero might pull but wondering what decisions the refs going to make to ensure we win, lose or draw.
It isn't a City thing either, I'd assume most fans are more concerned with the performance of the officials than the players given their tendency to make game changing decisions seemingly at random.
I've no problem with seeing City outplayed, outclassed or thoroughly battered, we've all seen it enough times to have grown a thick skin, but it's another matter entirely when more and more games are being decided not by the likes of Silva, Drogba or Giggs but by an official who might or might not give a decision that impacts on the final result.
Going into the Wigan game, I'm sure we're all confident we've got enough about us to see them off but it can't be denied that we're all too aware that the referee can impact upon the result much more than the 22 lads out on the pitch.
All I want is for referees to be consistent with 99% of their decisions. I don't think it's too much to ask and I'm quite sure fans of other sports don't have the same fears.
Until the inconsistency is dealt with, we'll have to accept that talk of conspiracy, cheating and agenda's will continue to thrive.
If we could look at 10 other tackles which explained Kompany's red card and suspension, no one but the bitterest of blue could take issue but as things stand, the players, fans, managers and pundits alike are all left frequently confused by refereeing decisions which make absolutely no sense.
bluetonium
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Foy us having a mare in the Newcastle game. One thing when we are involved - can be accused if bias - but watching as a neutral I can really see his inadequacy as a referee. Should give it up.
Just booked QPR lad, originally wasn't even going to give a foul, linesman flagged for it. Sound familiar? What a joke of a ref. I think he only.booked Derry for the Cabaye foul due to Newcastle players crowding him.
He's also missing quite a bit, and not in a play the advantage kind of way.
Oh, similar tackle to kompanys just then, Bothroyd on Santon I think... he's giving yellow. What a t**t.
Just booked QPR lad, originally wasn't even going to give a foul, linesman flagged for it. Sound familiar? What a joke of a ref. I think he only.booked Derry for the Cabaye foul due to Newcastle players crowding him.
He's also missing quite a bit, and not in a play the advantage kind of way.
Oh, similar tackle to kompanys just then, Bothroyd on Santon I think... he's giving yellow. What a t**t.
city 'til i cry
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If the FA had any balls they would overturn Komanys red card now and ban Foy, two worse challanges today get yellows. The guy is incompetent the first one caused the player off injured.
On a separate what a twat Wilkins is for suggesting the Newcastle player was faking injury, ex team bias yet again him.
On a separate what a twat Wilkins is for suggesting the Newcastle player was faking injury, ex team bias yet again him.
TFC
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And the award for 'most Homoerotic thread title' goes to....
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es1
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What's wrong with a lino giving a foul the ref misses and advising the ref to book him??bluetonium said:Foy us having a mare in the Newcastle game. One thing when we are involved - can be accused if bias - but watching as a neutral I can really see his inadequacy as a referee. Should give it up.
Just booked QPR lad, originally wasn't even going to give a foul, linesman flagged for it. Sound familiar? What a joke of a ref. I think he only.booked Derry for the Cabaye foul due to Newcastle players crowding him.
He's also missing quite a bit, and not in a play the advantage kind of way.
Oh, similar tackle to kompanys just then, Bothroyd on Santon I think... he's giving yellow. What a t**t.
The derry card, foy gets the yellow out immediately so not sure how youve come to that conclusion
None of the fouls today were like the kompany tackle so I don't think any comparisons can be made
Pingu the Penguin
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The problem here is the FA.
The FA could and should review games and, if refs get it wrong, deal with them retrospectively. They should have a tackle bank and use that as comparison.
Example - vinny's red. If that was a red then they should have retrospectively banned Johnson.
(I know there is this thing about refs dealing with the offence on the day - scrap that)
Put the 4th official to some use and have him "cite" debatable decisions, and review them in the week.
That way we get consistency.
Leading on from that, we can start tackling poor performance from refs. We all know Foy had a mare last weekend, so how he can get a gig in the top league this weekend I'll never know.
His "mare" wasn't totally anti city either - united should have got another defo pen and they nearly missed out on the win as a result
The FA could and should review games and, if refs get it wrong, deal with them retrospectively. They should have a tackle bank and use that as comparison.
Example - vinny's red. If that was a red then they should have retrospectively banned Johnson.
(I know there is this thing about refs dealing with the offence on the day - scrap that)
Put the 4th official to some use and have him "cite" debatable decisions, and review them in the week.
That way we get consistency.
Leading on from that, we can start tackling poor performance from refs. We all know Foy had a mare last weekend, so how he can get a gig in the top league this weekend I'll never know.
His "mare" wasn't totally anti city either - united should have got another defo pen and they nearly missed out on the win as a result
bluemoonmatt
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Foy is just the embodiment of incompetence. Him Atkinson, Walton and Twattenburg need to go. I just can't believe that we don;t have better refs running the games in the lower leagues. I think the only half decent ref is Dean