Tackling the issue!? Are we getting a raw deal from the referees?

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Shouldn't be relying on referees tbf. We should put games beyond doubt.

I always rely on referees to administer the Laws of the Game as they are written, and to be totally impartial in the process. I am regularly disappointed!

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

Nice one madchester. We are pretty shit at tackling aren't we!! Nice to see 3 of the 4 fullbacks pretty good. Not surprised at Navas tbh he always seems to have a good defensive game. But ye gods no wonder we look porous in midfield this season. There seems to be no correlation between tackling effectiveness and age either. Look at our defensive midfielders. I am surprised at that I thought they would be better.

What the hell do you put it down to?

One of the main characteristics of our play - we don't tackle until the opposition can see the whites of Joe Hart's eyes! About fifteen yards outside our area!! Come back Carlos!!

 

[MadchesterCity]

We have definitely been shit but a lot of big decisions have come when the game was close. Spurs at the weekend and at their place, Leicester away and Everton at home are all results that could have yielded an extra 4/6 points had blatant refereeing mistakes not happened.

Agreed, we haven't performed anywhere near as good as we should have but the referee decisions have been beyond belief.
I would like to think Manchester City are asking the FA questions about this, i can't ever remember being cheated so frequently throughout a season.

 

[MadchesterCity]

I always rely on referees to administer the Laws of the Game as they are written, and to be totally impartial in the process. I am regularly disappointed!

Agree this is the two most important duties of a referee and one they aren't doing when City are involved

 

[MadchesterCity]

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Ridiculous statement. We will not win every game, the Premier League is very competitive and, like it or not, other teams are very strong too. All we ask is that fair and impartial decisions are made. At the moment they are not. We should be able to rely on referees not to help us but to be honest but there is something very wrong indeed.
Did I say I didn't expect fair officiating. My point is to try to blame all our poor results on refs is weak

Did I say I didn't expect fair officiating. My point is to try to blame all our poor results on refs is weak

nobody is saying all our results are due to the referee, that's clearly not the case and I highlighted this in the analysis.
We were well beaten in certain games Arsenal, Liverpool and Stoke immediately spring to mind; most can accept getting beat when the opposition perform better.
I think we have won a handful of games without being the best team; Watford and Sunderland matches certainly were examples of this

What we must not accept is the matches/ points this season we have lost due to incorrect/ decisive referee decisions at key points in matches with fatal consequences.
This is what we must be investigating, is their corruption or is it just incompetence - I'm sure certain referees have an agenda, it's what fires that we should be interested in!!

 

[MadchesterCity]

Ridiculous statement. We will not win every game, the Premier League is very competitive and, like it or not, other teams are very strong too. All we ask is that fair and impartial decisions are made. At the moment they are not. We should be able to rely on referees not to help us but to be honest but there is something very wrong indeed.

Nail on the head, with the current corruption/ incompetence I would hope that Manchester City are at the forefront of any plans to introduce video technology as we just aren't getting fair treatment at the moment.

It's almost like someone has said OK we can't stop them with FFP let's get the referees do to a job on them! That will teach them

 

[MadchesterCity]

Have to disagree with Aguero offside against Leicester. Benefit of the doubt at the very most but I thought he was level, just timed the run across the line well. But you fail to point out the goal kick we should have had, not the corner that Leicester scored their third from and the subsequent foul by Huth and Morgan in the box that was ignored.

Do you want me to update the first post? I plan to do this after the next batch off games

I now expect since they have brought us down a peg or two and there may finally be some additional scrutiny on the referee situation we may see a dip in these major decisions going against us!

 

[MadchesterCity]

Great work OP. could you do a % of possession per foul for us and our opponents (just in our games) over the last couple of seasons. ;)

Our tackling is plainly awful you only have to watch to see our midfield isn't mobile enough to catch players to tackle them.

I'm not sure I could how would I calculate that?

I'm also not sure how to analyse the tackling statistics further, I would like to think that the MCFC in-house stats / coaching team would have the answers to these two quandaries

 

[MadchesterCity]

Mate this is probably one of the best posts I've ever read on this website.

What you need to do with it is email this to the Premier League, the FA, the Evening News, reputable journalists (they are out there), Sky, BT, the BBC, talkSPORT, 5Live...and most importantly the Professional Game Match Officials Board.

As good as the post is, it's serves absolutely no use at all just being stuck on some random Internet forum. This needs to be circulated and demand a proper response. If they don't provide one, complain that their response is inadequate.

If all this post ever achieves is a 50 page thread on here it will get nowhere.

There's been too much moaning from our fans and not enough action. Without action nothing will change, moaning about it will change nothing. Either stop moaning or take action.
Now someone like you has taken the time to pull something like this together, let's get something done about it!

Thanks mate, is it in their interest to care about this? I honestly doubt they would have little interest and would just see it as City feeling hard done by!
I don't have the power to change this situation, but I do wish to highlight the issues, it would be great if the OSC and Manchester City PR Vicky Kloss perhaps pushed for answers on our questions.

The questions the fans want answers to are simple:

1. Why are these decisions so frequently going against Manchester City?
2. Are these decisions due to incompetence or something more sinister?

If incompetence then serious retrospective punishment for the match officials should be applied
If something more sinister then a full investigation is required​

3. What measures are in place to track these decisions and are their concerns about the integrity of the game?

As a football fan we just want a fair game; not to feel cheated, disgusted, angry in a stage of extreme rage due to the influence of the men in black!

 

[MadchesterCity]

I think it is important to distinguish between poor decisions which are on-going but can be explained as a genuine mistakes and really bad decisions such as Sunday's which can call into question the motives of the person making them. This referee has been involved in both games against Spurs this season which have proved highly controversial to say the least. I for one cannot and will not accept that there is not some underlying reason which goes beyond an honest mistake why this man gave that penalty. I am not in a position to say why he acted as he did but the fact is his mistaken decision strays well beyond the realms of an honest miscalculation. I will leave it up to others to drill down in an effort to discover why he acted as he did. We must accept that referees are human and will make mistakes which may or may not cost us dearly but we MUST NEVER accept that the officials for whatever reason fail to act in an impartial manner.

That two match swing could easily be decisive in the outcome of the league title, I am not going to see he is a cheat but we do know he has been associated to betting syndicates previously so you see how easy it would be to question his motives!!

 

[Deleted member 58678]

Thanks mate, is it in their interest to care about this? I honestly doubt they would have little interest and would just see it as City feeling hard done by!
I don't have the power to change this situation, but I do wish to highlight the issues, it would be great if the OSC and Manchester City PR Vicky Kloss perhaps pushed for answers on our questions.

The questions the fans want answers to are simple:

1. Why are these decisions so frequently going against Manchester City?
2. Are these decisions due to incompetence or something more sinister?

If incompetence then serious retrospective punishment for the match officials should be applied
If something more sinister then a full investigation is required​

3. What measures are in place to track these decisions and are their concerns about the integrity of the game?

As a football fan we just want a fair game; not to feel cheated, disgusted, angry in a stage of extreme rage due to the influence of the men in black!

3 is a huge point to ask the Premier League and the Refs org. What happens when these incompetents make these giant blunders? What are the consequences?

I say get this out to as many people as possible though and get it out in the public eye. See who runs with it (and see who it's noticeable hasnt l!) and then the more people know about this sort of stuff the better.

And let's keep monitoring it!

 

[@BluePhil8]

Really great analysis but sadly no one gives a shit when it's city being cheated.

I remember that Sterling pass against Everton being slaughtered in the media for a full week after it happened.

Listening to TalkSport now and it's all about Hazard.

 

[Len Rum]

These are the major decisions I can recall going against us in the League:
1 Clattenberk vs Spurs.
2. Zab on the line pen vs Leicester at home, not given.
3. Blatant Push on Fernandinho in the area vs Leicester at home largely ignored by the media , not given.
4.East ,non pen vs Everton, if I've seen a worst decision I can't remember it.
5. Blatant penalty on Aguero vs Leicester away, not given.
6. Penalty not given against Sterling vs Sunderland at home, not given, in fact Sterling was booked for diving.
7.'Offside' goal given against us vs Spurs away
8. Second 'offside' goal given against us vs Spurs away.

The ones in our favour:
1. DM last man vs WHam ( 50 /50), sending off?
2. Newcastle at home goal incorrectly disallowed for offside.
3. Possible pen against Otamendi vs Bournemouth at home.
4. First goal vs Spurs away, DB marginally offside.

I have tried to be fair in this assessment.
I would say those decisions that went against us were blatantly wrong whereas only the N/cle offside was the only one definitely in our favour , the other three were borderline.
Difficult to say how these decisions would have affected the points tally but I think that you've got to be looking at least at an extra 4-6 points if the correct decisions had been given.
Had we been lucky however and got the rub of the green as some teams do, then maybe up to an extra eight points would have come our way despite all our injury problems.
Fine margins, but make no mistake about it, these refereeing decisions may ultimately have cost us the title.

 

[BlueTG]

Do you want me to update the first post? I plan to do this after the next batch off games

I now expect since they have brought us down a peg or two and there may finally be some additional scrutiny on the referee situation we may see a dip in these major decisions going against us!

Haha no, I was just weighing in with a few more decisions I feel that personally help enthusise the point you made is all

 

[MadchesterCity]

These are the major decisions I can recall going against us in the League:
1 Clattenberk vs Spurs.
2. Zab on the line pen vs Leicester at home, not given.
3. Blatant Push on Fernandinho in the area vs Leicester at home largely ignored by the media , not given.
4.East ,non pen vs Everton, if I've seen a worst decision I can't remember it.
5. Blatant penalty on Aguero vs Leicester away, not given.
6. Penalty not given against Sterling vs Sunderland at home, not given, in fact Sterling was booked for diving.
7.'Offside' goal given against us vs Spurs away
8. Second 'offside' goal given against us vs Spurs away.

The ones in our favour:
1. DM last man vs WHam ( 50 /50), sending off?
2. Newcastle at home goal incorrectly disallowed for offside.
3. Possible pen against Otamendi vs Bournemouth at home.
4. First goal vs Spurs away, DB marginally offside.

I have tried to be fair in this assessment.
I would say those decisions that went against us were blatantly wrong whereas only the N/cle offside was the only one definitely in our favour , the other three were borderline.
Difficult to say how these decisions would have affected the points tally but I think that you've got to be looking at least at an extra 4-6 points if the correct decisions had been given.
Had we been lucky however and got the rub of the green as some teams do, then maybe up to an extra eight points would have come our way despite all our injury problems.
Fine margins, but make no mistake about it, these refereeing decisions may ultimately have cost us the title.

Thanks for your valuable input can you provide the approximate times of these incidents (2,3,6) and I will verify and update first post where possible.

I do agree with you that these decisions may cost us the title and may already have done so.

 

[MadchesterCity]

Haha no, I was just weighing in with a few more decisions I feel that personally help enthusise the point you made is all

Thanks that's what i'm after as it shouldn't be an individuals view but a shared approach to address these injustices

 

[MadchesterCity]

3 is a huge point to ask the Premier League and the Refs org. What happens when these incompetents make these giant blunders? What are the consequences?

I say get this out to as many people as possible though and get it out in the public eye. See who runs with it (and see who it's noticeable hasnt l!) and then the more people know about this sort of stuff the better.

And let's keep monitoring it!

Good idea feel free to share where you can

 

[Len Rum]

Thanks for your valuable input can you provide the approximate times of these incidents (2,3,6) and I will verify and update first post where possible.

I do agree with you that these decisions may cost us the title and may already have done so.

2 about 20 mins in
3 about 35 mins in
6 about 15 mins in
Hope this helps.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

Shouldn't be relying on referees tbf. We should put games beyond doubt.

It's very fucking hard, when you're getting pulled up for non existant offsides or kicked all over the pitch, with no retribution.

 

[HalfwayUpTheKippax]

Great work. Just a couple of corrections for the OP.

19 /9/15 West Ham. Only lost 1 pt rather than 2 as if offside goal not counted we would have gsined 1 pt for a draw.

26/9/15 Spurs. We didn't lose any points from Team Twattenburg. Even without the two offside goals they would have won 2-1, in fact 2-0 if KdB's marginally offside goal not given. In reality, the offside goals changed the momentum of the game. Our defence was based on moving up to catch them offside. This was a major fail with incompetent linesmen.