Sabster said:JamesA said:inbetween said:Might as well sack Mancini as well, get Joe Royle in and go back to being shite, there is a recurring theme with teams that play the 'winger' mentality.
Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, PSG, Juventus, Napoli, Malaga, Athletico, Milan all manage without wingers.
Incorrect and totally missed the point, or more likely not even read the original post. The point with all those teams and with modern tactics in general, is that teams don't play 4-4-2 with wingers that often anymore, they play a 4-3-3/4-5-1 with fast technical players who can play wide or inside. There is more fluidity to the formation.
Chelsea - erm, what about Hazard/Oscar?
Real madrid - Erm, Ronaldo, Di Maria
Napoli - Insigne/Pandev
PSG - Lavezzi/Pastore
Seriously, you need to read before you post.
You are a complete idiot.
Ronaldo is not a winger
Patore and Oscar play identical roles to Silva
Hazard plays inside almost as much as the others
This obcession with PACE needs to stop...
geoff hammond said:Jack74 said:geoff hammond said:David Silva is a world class player.
Ha ha Silva world class u r havin a laugh tell me which games u think he as played well in this season
Ok jack. You have your opinion.
the 80000 Real Madrid fans who gave him a standing ovation have theirs.
Are you joking? Barcelona play wingers in their 4-3-3 formation, although the wingers aren't out and out, they are very comfortable drifting inside. It makes the whole structure of attack much more fluid. Real have Ronaldo and Di Maria. Those two play on either side of Ozil, with the German playing just behind their central striker. Chelsea have wingers, Hazard is naturally a winger. Victor Moses is also a winger. Oscar is comfortable on the flank. Like Barca's wingers, both Chelsea's and Madrid's aren't out and out wingers but they still are a form of wide men.inbetween said:Might as well sack Mancini as well, get Joe Royle in and go back to being shite, there is a recurring theme with teams that play the 'winger' mentality.
Barcelona, Real Madrid, Chelsea, PSG, Juventus, Napoli, Malaga, Athletico, Milan all manage without wingers.
Jack74 said:geoff hammond said:
Ok jack. You have your opinion.
the 80000 Real Madrid fans who gave him a standing ovation have theirs.
The 80000 Real Madrid fans gave him a standing ovation cause he is Spanish ?
geoff hammond said:Jack74 said:geoff hammond said:Ok jack. You have your opinion.
the 80000 Real Madrid fans who gave him a standing ovation have theirs.
The 80000 Real Madrid fans gave him a standing ovation cause he is Spanish ?
Because he is Spanish??
So would you give John terry an ovation cos he's English. No.
They know he is world class.
Mr. Aguia said:BlueEagle said:Silva is at his best when he can run in the space between the midfield and defence, and there's very few players in the world who are as threatening as him at picking out a brilliant pass. Even today he created some great chances that were wasted. The problem is that we don't often see Silva in this area much any more, because the way we change from defence to attack is so slow. In the first half today every time we won the ball back in our own half, we either gave it away quickly or passed it back to Hart who would inevitably give away possession.
We've had this problem for a while now, and I believe it's why Mancini opts to play Yaya further back, as he's the only midfield player who has the ability to pick the ball up, hold off any pressure, and play the ball to one of our players. Unfortunately, Touré doesn't do enough work defensively, so we can often get overrun in midfield when another team tries to pressure us high up the pitch (like Dortmund or even Liverpool recently).
Really, I believe we need more technically sound central midfielders who can help us dominate and control the game, and perhaps more wide, faster players who would often run in behind or just generally help to generate space for the rest of our team. At the moment when a team pressures us, we don't have the passing or movement that is required to escape through the pressure, and until we fix that we will always struggle away from home and against other top teams. Silva would be brilliant if he had them type of players around him, as he is for Spain and would be for a team like Barcelona.
This is how I see it as well.
I think Yaya is best in the hole just off the striker but has to play in the holding role cause Barry and Garcia are too slow and don't creat anything going forward. But because we had soo much trouble defending corners in the first third of the season Mancini has felt it necessary to play Dzeko more often than his play would demand to help defend set plays. Which means even if we win the ball we only have 1 small player up front so we end up giving the ball right back. Too many of our players are forced into playing roles that aren't their best. We need to stop buying the best available talent and start buying specific players to fill a specific role.