BillyShears said:I think there's a fundamental issue with last night's match which nobody seems to have picked up on. As we have done pretty much since the day Mancini arrived, we played last night to first and foremost not concede a goal. I'm not sure thats the right way to approach EVERY match you play. I can understand it when you play against the best teams in the world, but taking that approach in the premiership against teams like Everton will lead to a mish mash of results. It's a problem Liverpool have had under Benitez for years now. I was actually talking to a scouser a few days ago who was saying the only time the shackles came off was the second half of last season - and lo and behold it was their best league campaign under Rafa...
Let me pre-empt a few of the more obvious things which will get flung at me. Firstly, I'm not advocating some type of gung-ho approach, and neither am I complaining about being "entertained". I also accept that we have had serious problems at the back and we needed someone to come in and organize us as a team, and the back 4 as a unit. But there needs to be a balance struck at some point.
Frankly, anyone who thinks last night was just a "blip", or "one of those games", is being far too generous to the players and coaching staff. Under Mancini, whenever we've come up against a decent team we've looked poor. There's plenty of huff and puff about us, but no real bite. Our goal scoring stats look good on paper, but that's 3 wins in 10, and frankly we look as toothless at times as we did under Sven.
As others have said there's no need to panic, and it is all still in our hands, but it is slowly slipping. No use in saying our players aren't good enough or the squad isn't good enough. We've struggled to beat some appalling teams recently, and I refuse to accept that that's because we don't have the quality in all departments to do so.
Oh, and one more thing. I stand by what I said a few weeks back. We'll never win the league under Mancini...
Mancio said:BillyShears said:I think there's a fundamental issue with last night's match which nobody seems to have picked up on. As we have done pretty much since the day Mancini arrived, we played last night to first and foremost not concede a goal. I'm not sure thats the right way to approach EVERY match you play. I can understand it when you play against the best teams in the world, but taking that approach in the premiership against teams like Everton will lead to a mish mash of results. It's a problem Liverpool have had under Benitez for years now. I was actually talking to a scouser a few days ago who was saying the only time the shackles came off was the second half of last season - and lo and behold it was their best league campaign under Rafa...
Let me pre-empt a few of the more obvious things which will get flung at me. Firstly, I'm not advocating some type of gung-ho approach, and neither am I complaining about being "entertained". I also accept that we have had serious problems at the back and we needed someone to come in and organize us as a team, and the back 4 as a unit. But there needs to be a balance struck at some point.
Frankly, anyone who thinks last night was just a "blip", or "one of those games", is being far too generous to the players and coaching staff. Under Mancini, whenever we've come up against a decent team we've looked poor. There's plenty of huff and puff about us, but no real bite. Our goal scoring stats look good on paper, but that's 3 wins in 10, and frankly we look as toothless at times as we did under Sven.
As others have said there's no need to panic, and it is all still in our hands, but it is slowly slipping. No use in saying our players aren't good enough or the squad isn't good enough. We've struggled to beat some appalling teams recently, and I refuse to accept that that's because we don't have the quality in all departments to do so.
Oh, and one more thing. I stand by what I said a few weeks back. We'll never win the league under Mancini...
i think you really need a long selfsex session
BillyShears said:Mancio said:i think you really need a long selfsex session
Oh dear. Even the fucking Italian posters on the board are after me now...
I'll tell you what. I take back my OP. I was wrong. You're all right. Mancini isn't a negative manager. Our players just aren't good enough.
Mancio said:BillyShears said:Oh dear. Even the fucking Italian posters on the board are after me now...
I'll tell you what. I take back my OP. I was wrong. You're all right. Mancini isn't a negative manager. Our players just aren't good enough.
you are right , i'm italian , i'm fucking , and i'm coming from a very good chianti's bottle , but this cant change the reality , you and the football are two far far world. and you need a long long session on redtube.
BillyShears said:Mancio said:you are right , i'm italian , i'm fucking , and i'm coming from a very good chianti's bottle , but this cant change the reality , you and the football are two far far world. and you need a long long session on redtube.
I normally read your posts with much enthusiasm as you seem to know your football and I agree with a lot of what you say, so I have to say it's a little disappointing to find you being quite so insulting because you don't think I'm right. Ah well, it's only the internet, I'm sure I'll get over it...
Mancio said:BillyShears said:I normally read your posts with much enthusiasm as you seem to know your football and I agree with a lot of what you say, so I have to say it's a little disappointing to find you being quite so insulting because you don't think I'm right. Ah well, it's only the internet, I'm sure I'll get over it...
i apologise for my tones , but believe to me , mancini has never been a negative manager , and now he is just interested in got the 4° spot , also with phe players he had inerithed.
let him got it and buy some good players of his choice , and then you can see.
BillyShears said:I sincerely hope you're right mate. I would love nothing more than to see Mancini succeed at City....
BillyShears said:I think there's a fundamental issue with last night's match which nobody seems to have picked up on. As we have done pretty much since the day Mancini arrived, we played last night to first and foremost not concede a goal. I'm not sure thats the right way to approach EVERY match you play. I can understand it when you play against the best teams in the world, but taking that approach in the premiership against teams like Everton will lead to a mish mash of results. It's a problem Liverpool have had under Benitez for years now. I was actually talking to a scouser a few days ago who was saying the only time the shackles came off was the second half of last season - and lo and behold it was their best league campaign under Rafa...
Let me pre-empt a few of the more obvious things which will get flung at me. Firstly, I'm not advocating some type of gung-ho approach, and neither am I complaining about being "entertained". I also accept that we have had serious problems at the back and we needed someone to come in and organize us as a team, and the back 4 as a unit. But there needs to be a balance struck at some point.
Frankly, anyone who thinks last night was just a "blip", or "one of those games", is being far too generous to the players and coaching staff. Under Mancini, whenever we've come up against a decent team we've looked poor. There's plenty of huff and puff about us, but no real bite. Our goal scoring stats look good on paper, but that's 3 wins in 10, and frankly we look as toothless at times as we did under Sven.
As others have said there's no need to panic, and it is all still in our hands, but it is slowly slipping. No use in saying our players aren't good enough or the squad isn't good enough. We've struggled to beat some appalling teams recently, and I refuse to accept that that's because we don't have the quality in all departments to do so.
Oh, and one more thing. I stand by what I said a few weeks back. We'll never win the league under Mancini...
Immaculate Pasta said:BillyShears said:I sincerely hope you're right mate. I would love nothing more than to see Mancini succeed at City....
I highly doubt that...
Mancio said:attacking intent
attacking intent
attacking intent
what shit is this ???
i think mancini had done a mistake last night , he had lost his brain and he is go for attacking intent and for ireland's moanings
he need to remember what realy is "important" , to win !!
he had forget about ali lesson one
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3HPSxWdjD0[/youtube]
BillyShears said:I think there's a fundamental issue with last night's match which nobody seems to have picked up on. As we have done pretty much since the day Mancini arrived, we played last night to first and foremost not concede a goal. I'm not sure thats the right way to approach EVERY match you play. I can understand it when you play against the best teams in the world, but taking that approach in the premiership against teams like Everton will lead to a mish mash of results. It's a problem Liverpool have had under Benitez for years now. I was actually talking to a scouser a few days ago who was saying the only time the shackles came off was the second half of last season - and lo and behold it was their best league campaign under Rafa...
Let me pre-empt a few of the more obvious things which will get flung at me. Firstly, I'm not advocating some type of gung-ho approach, and neither am I complaining about being "entertained". I also accept that we have had serious problems at the back and we needed someone to come in and organize us as a team, and the back 4 as a unit. But there needs to be a balance struck at some point.
Frankly, anyone who thinks last night was just a "blip", or "one of those games", is being far too generous to the players and coaching staff. Under Mancini, whenever we've come up against a decent team we've looked poor. There's plenty of huff and puff about us, but no real bite. Our goal scoring stats look good on paper, but that's 3 wins in 10, and frankly we look as toothless at times as we did under Sven.
As others have said there's no need to panic, and it is all still in our hands, but it is slowly slipping. No use in saying our players aren't good enough or the squad isn't good enough. We've struggled to beat some appalling teams recently, and I refuse to accept that that's because we don't have the quality in all departments to do so.
Oh, and one more thing. I stand by what I said a few weeks back. We'll never win the league under Mancini...
Under Mancini, whenever we've come up against a decent team we've looked poor.Chelsea away
United Home
Argueably the two best sides in the league
We've struggled to beat some appalling teams recentlyWhich appaling teams have we failed to beat recently..? Fulham? Stoke? Liverpool? The only poor side we have lost to is Hull... who were on a roll.
You really are clueless and this post proves the point beyond all doubt.
Dont go running to the mods for protection. If you have the right post such tripe I have the right to reply.
EDIT: For the record apart from Hull the only other teams Mancini has lost to are Everton twice (probably the form team of the Prem right now - beat United), United and Stoke (a team with a fine home record).
Pretty unimpressive huh.
levets said:Didsbury Dave said:I agree with some of what you've said.
However I actually think he's been less defensive in the last few games.
My only potential issue with last night's starting 11 was whether having a right footer and left back was a good idea. Let's not forget we were missing key players.
I'm getting used to his odd substitutions.
We've not got the blend right all season and have been chopping and changing, sometimes because we've had to.
Next 3 games are make or break. It must click now. And you're certainly right that we must go into them to win them.
When I saw the team, I thought that Garrido, Santa Cruz & Vieira were injured. I was shocked to see they were all on the bench! Why did he change the team? I think he got sucked into the 'must pack the midfield with workers against Everton' brigade.
To play an average right back at left back, when a specialist left back is available is ridiculous. garrido isn't the worlds best, but he is better at left back than Zabba.... and offers some culture when going forward.
I'm really disappointed at the line up for last night,
robbieh said:Billy
You moan when Ireland doesn't play.
You moan when he does.
Your constant sniping at Mancini is boring and misplaced.
I'd like you in the most polite terms to just give it a fucking rest.
BillyShears said:robbieh said:Billy
You moan when Ireland doesn't play.
You moan when he does.
Your constant sniping at Mancini is boring and misplaced.
I'd like you in the most polite terms to just give it a fucking rest.
Thanks for the advice, but I'll post as I see fit mate. If you find my observations so ridiculous, or so boring, just ignore them.
robbieh said:BillyShears said:Thanks for the advice, but I'll post as I see fit mate. If you find my observations so ridiculous, or so boring, just ignore them.
Sorry you are quite right. However I am just curious as to why you seem to think that Mancini is such a poor manager given evidence to the contrary?