mosssideblue
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Top post Damo. The much bigger picture of what is happening around us is often forgotten
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Taking fans for granted
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Top post Damo. The much bigger picture of what is happening around us is often forgotten
Under Sheikh Mansour, City have invested millions into a college and leisure centre. They used majority Mancunian labour on the stadium expansion and Campus build, many of which were former offenders. He's built us into a European football force after languishing in the mid to lower table, put money into every part of the club and community, has his lads wearing City shirts on his Instagram and has them screaming in the stands when they're not. He brought us the Stoke FA Cup, Aguero 93:20 and 2 League Cups,
Personally I couldn't give a shit if they never do a sycophantic meeting once a month for self-important fans ever again.
I'd say it's typical Bluemoon but it isn't. Typical millenials maybe. We've been taken for granted whilst investing hundreds of millions into the community and fanbase. Amazing.
Call me selfish, but i dont care about most of that. I just want to be able to afford to go and watch my team as i have done for years, not be priced out so city can improve their "global brand". Id rather the days of watching city scrape 0-0 draws against middlesbrough than not be able to afford to watch them at all, again probably selfish but i dont want to be reduced to watching football on tele week in week out. I enjoy going to games!
cheddar404
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Call me selfish, but i dont care about most of that. I just want to be able to afford to go and watch my team as i have done for years, not be priced out so city can improve their "global brand". Id rather the days of watching city scrape 0-0 draws against middlesbrough than not be able to afford to watch them at all, again probably selfish but i dont want to be reduced to watching football on tele week in week out. I enjoy going to games!
Exactly how I feel about it.
Call me selfish, but i dont care about most of that. I just want to be able to afford to go and watch my team as i have done for years, not be priced out so city can improve their "global brand". Id rather the days of watching city scrape 0-0 draws against middlesbrough than not be able to afford to watch them at all, again probably selfish but i dont want to be reduced to watching football on tele week in week out. I enjoy going to games!
This isn't to suggest that there's not work to be done because there is, and ticket prices are at the forefront of that.
But Sheikh Mansour and City seem have made real concerted efforts to invest in the community and provide a model for investment and ownership which is the envy of the world. We've certainly got battles left to fight but if you look at our problems which are wanting a tenner knocked off the tickets compared to say, Newcastle or Cardiff, then we're getting off quite easily there.
Our argument seems to be with the revenue arms race that is happening in modern football rather than the ownership itself. This is why support of the FSF and City fan groups such as 1894 is so important.
warpig
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Top post Damo. The much bigger picture of what is happening around us is often forgotten
.....if you're an accountant, which most fans aren't.
I measure success directly by what happens on the pitch, not what happens off of it.
dickie davies
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And like most of us dial it in from time to time, have a bad day and sometimes don't really give a shit.
Every Premier league player is extremely well paid. What the "paying customers" of those clubs are asking for is that they do give a fuck for an hour and a half, or every now and again, three hours a week
If they can't motivate themselves to do that then they shouldn't be employed
Just something on the club surveys/City voice
I was sent an e mail before the Arsenal game where City Voice was running a live survey/blog of fans matchday experience and wanted fans to keep posting updates during
Their travel from home
The stadium pre match
The stadium/game during the match
and then post match
We were playing Arsenal, one of our biggest four league matches of the season in our last home game of the season, where it was almost shit or bust and they wanted fans opinions of matchday whilst the game was being fucking played!
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mosssideblue
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.....if you're an accountant, which most fans aren't.
I measure success directly by what happens on the pitch, not what happens off of it.
I couldn't be further away than being an accountant. I was referring to the investment, not only in the superstructure of the club, but also the local community, but that doesn't that count with you
Under Sheikh Mansour, City have invested millions into a college and leisure centre. They used majority Mancunian labour on the stadium expansion and Campus build, many of which were former offenders. He's built us into a European football force after languishing in the mid to lower table, put money into every part of the club and community, has his lads wearing City shirts on his Instagram and has them screaming in the stands when they're not. He brought us the Stoke FA Cup, Aguero 93:20 and 2 League Cups,
Personally I couldn't give a shit if they never do a sycophantic meeting once a month for self-important fans ever again.
I'd say it's typical Bluemoon but it isn't. Typical millenials maybe. We've been taken for granted whilst investing hundreds of millions into the community and fanbase. Amazing.
I don't normally agree with Damocles but this is spot on! Like I've saved previously, fans taking city for granted more like!
£299 season ticket = about £16 per gameCall me selfish, but i dont care about most of that. I just want to be able to afford to go and watch my team as i have done for years, not be priced out so city can improve their "global brand". Id rather the days of watching city scrape 0-0 draws against middlesbrough than not be able to afford to watch them at all, again probably selfish but i dont want to be reduced to watching football on tele week in week out. I enjoy going to games!
JoeMercer'sWay
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There are issues. The main 2 for me are ensuring there's an across the board price freeze inc. match tickets, and at the minimum a fan kit consultation. The other stuff can be wearisome and irritating, but ensuring that every fan can attend and that our brand and identity is set and representative of who we are and not messed about with are fundamentals.
A huge amount of good has been done but I think more care needs to be taken over issues which may not be important to the execs, who a have a different view from their experiences, and what's actually really important to the fans.
A huge amount of good has been done but I think more care needs to be taken over issues which may not be important to the execs, who a have a different view from their experiences, and what's actually really important to the fans.
baildon blue
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I worry about you .There are issues. The main 2 for me are ensuring there's an across the board price freeze inc. match tickets, and at the minimum a fan kit consultation. The other stuff can be wearisome and irritating, but ensuring that every fan can attend and that our brand and identity is set and representative of who we are and not messed about with are fundamentals.
A huge amount of good has been done but I think more care needs to be taken over issues which may not be important to the execs, who a have a different view from their experiences, and what's actually really important to the fans.
You keep banging on about football shirts .
I couldn't give a flying duck what the new shirt looks like .
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billymumphrey
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Every Premier league player is extremely well paid. What the "paying customers" of those clubs are asking for is that they do give a fuck for an hour and a half, or every now and again, three hours a week
If they can't motivate themselves to do that then they shouldn't be employed
I understand that completely. But the point that I was making, is that if it was logical to contend that we are simply just customers, then it's fair to posit that the players are just doing a job. And how much they're paid, despite them being paid extremely well, does not necessarily mean that they might get sick of their job. Money has no bearing on that in my mind.
When I had a summer job grilling burgers, there were days when I was jack of it and probably didn't work well. There have also been days when in my current role as a consultant earning significantly more than when I was working at the bistro where I been fed up and not worked 100%. Because I'm only human.
And there's so many reasons why this can happen, relationship breakdowns, health concerns, issues with the family, toxic work environments, stressful projects with looming due dates, falling out with colleagues, pay disputes, being looked over for promotion, office politics, working with lazy/ineffectual workers the list goes on and on.
Not to have a go at you, but you say that if they can't motivate themselves they shouldn't be employed - not knowing what you do or how good at your job, but surely you have not worked at 100% and done everything well at every single moment you've been employed? People have off days, people see their job as a drag. It happens. To hold the players to a set of expectations that most of us can't even meet ourselves, and then to express our disgust in such a vitriolic way (again not something I'm accusing you of doing - more just a general observation on some of these threads) is just something that I really don't understand.
Machiavelli
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A fan kit consultation?There are issues. The main 2 for me are ensuring there's an across the board price freeze inc. match tickets, and at the minimum a fan kit consultation. The other stuff can be wearisome and irritating, but ensuring that every fan can attend and that our brand and identity is set and representative of who we are and not messed about with are fundamentals.
A huge amount of good has been done but I think more care needs to be taken over issues which may not be important to the execs, who a have a different view from their experiences, and what's actually really important to the fans.
dickie davies
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I understand that completely. But the point that I was making, is that if it was logical to contend that we are simply just customers, then it's fair to posit that the players are just doing a job. And how much they're paid, despite them being paid extremely well, does not necessarily mean that they might get sick of their job. Money has no bearing on that in my mind.
When I had a summer job grilling burgers, there were days when I was jack of it and probably didn't work well. There have also been days when in my current role as a consultant earning significantly more than when I was working at the bistro where I been fed up and not worked 100%. Because I'm only human.
And there's so many reasons why this can happen, relationship breakdowns, health concerns, issues with the family, toxic work environments, stressful projects with looming due dates, falling out with colleagues, pay disputes, being looked over for promotion, office politics, working with lazy/ineffectual workers the list goes on and on.
Not to have a go at you, but you say that if they can't motivate themselves they shouldn't be employed - not knowing what you do or how good at your job, but surely you have not worked at 100% and done everything well at every single moment you've been employed? People have off days, people see their job as a drag. It happens. To hold the players to a set of expectations that most of us can't even meet ourselves, and then to express our disgust in such a vitriolic way (again not something I'm accusing you of doing - more just a general observation on some of these threads) is just something that I really don't understand.
I can relate to the three hours a week
I work in sales and as you would expect, I'm not selling every working hour of every working day. I actually only sell for two hours a day. The rest of the time is either spent prepping or travelling
But I know that in my job when selling face to face I have an hour with that customer and have to give it my best for that hour. I can't.go in there half hearted not giving a shit, as it may be weeks before I get my next opportunity.
Do I give it my all every minute of the day! Of course not, but I prepare for my meetings correctly and when that hour of opportunity arises, which is what my employer is really paying me for, I give it everything
Machiavelli
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You should've been a footballer then. ;)I can relate to the three hours a week
I work in sales and as you would expect, I'm not selling every working hour of every working day. I actually only sell for two hours a day. The rest of the time is either spent prepping or travelling
But I know that in my job when selling face to face I have an hour with that customer and have to give it my best for that hour. I can't.go in there half hearted not giving a shit because it may be weeks before I get my next opportunity
Do I give it my all every minute of the day! Of course not, but I prepare for my meetings correctly and when that hour of opportunity arises, which is what my employer is really paying me for, I give it everything
dickie davies
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You should've been a footballer then. ;)
The one thing that stopped me is that I was utterly shite
Houghend was my level
warpig
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I couldn't be further away than being an accountant. I was referring to the investment, not only in the superstructure of the club, but also the local community, but that doesn't that count with you
It does and it's great. But to repeat, I said I measure success directly by what happens on the pitch, not what happens off of it.
halfcenturyup
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Under Sheikh Mansour, City have invested millions into a college and leisure centre. They used majority Mancunian labour on the stadium expansion and Campus build, many of which were former offenders. He's built us into a European football force after languishing in the mid to lower table, put money into every part of the club and community, has his lads wearing City shirts on his Instagram and has them screaming in the stands when they're not. He brought us the Stoke FA Cup, Aguero 93:20 and 2 League Cups,
Personally I couldn't give a shit if they never do a sycophantic meeting once a month for self-important fans ever again.
I'd say it's typical Bluemoon but it isn't. Typical millenials maybe. We've been taken for granted whilst investing hundreds of millions into the community and fanbase. Amazing.
So how do you think the walk-out last Sunday will have been taken in Abu Dhabi?
Do you think they will be saying "I have invested millions into a college and leisure centre. I used majority Mancunian labour on the stadium expansion and Campus build, many of which were former offenders. I built City into a European football force after languishing in the mid to lower table, put money into every part of the club and community, have my lads wearing City shirts on my Instagram and screaming in the stands when they're not. I brought them the Stoke FA Cup, Aguero 93:20 and 2 League Cups. Personally I couldn't give a shit if we never do a sycophantic meeting once a month for self-important fans ever again."
Or do you think he will be saying " There is something not right in the relationship with the fanbase if they can't stay behind for an hour after the last home match to show appreciation, and we should be looking to put it right?"
I would imagine it's the latter.
halfcenturyup
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I have said it for years, there is now absolutely no connection between fans and players. The sums of money they are paid puts them in a financial bracket we can't comprehend. They actually have that much money they could never ever spend it, coupled with the way the club treat them like gods. I mean FFS they sleep the night before a home game at the training campus and they get them a coach from there, to then be given the blue carpet treatment without barely even looking at the fans that stand there waiting for them whatever the weather. You see on tunnel cam doors help open and people almost bowing to them, for them to give a little hello.
i'm fuckin sick of it
Been reading the earlier pages and some interesting comments there. Let me ask a question. Is this aloofness management/ players and fans the way it is in Spain? Not getting at Soriano here, but was it like this under Mancini and Cook as well? Genuinely interested ....
Prestwich_Blue
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No. Whatever problems he had with players or execs, Mancini built a brilliant rapport with the fans. And Cook was genuinely interested in the fans. I went to a do at The Etihad (which was privately arranged) to raise money for a charity Paul Lake was involved with and Cook was there. At Euro aways he'd wander round the bars the fans were in and often buy the drinks. There were lots of fans forums and consultations and he was a very visible presence (which didn't always end well mind you).Been reading the earlier pages and some interesting comments there. Let me ask a question. Is this aloofness management/ players and fans the way it is in Spain? Not getting at Soriano here, but was it like this under Mancini and Cook as well? Genuinely interested ....