Teachers to strike?

[SWP's back]

but that's not the fault of the public sector workers of today
that's the government using the money in years gone by to prop them up

yet it is today's workers they are looking to penalise

And private sector workers have been penalised for hte last 14 years by Brown's tax grab on their company schemes in 1997 and now we're all being penalised for his complete and wanton mismanagement of our national finances both in the face of advice given by the Treasury that it was wrong.

I don't begrudge anyone a decent pension but the point as originally made was that public sector pensions are largely funded by taxpayers. Plus the public sector worker is still better off pension-wise than most of his or her privste sector counterparts.

So instead of f*ckin up public sector workers sh*t, why not legislate to enforce private sector employers make adequate provision for their workers retirements?

Out of what? How? You think bill the butcher can afford to pay pensions of his employers?

It's hard enough for SME's to stay in business as it is!

It's up to the individual to save for their own retirement, not their employer.

 

[ernesto]

And private sector workers have been penalised for hte last 14 years by Brown's tax grab on their company schemes in 1997 and now we're all being penalised for his complete and wanton mismanagement of our national finances both in the face of advice given by the Treasury that it was wrong.

I don't begrudge anyone a decent pension but the point as originally made was that public sector pensions are largely funded by taxpayers. Plus the public sector worker is still better off pension-wise than most of his or her privste sector counterparts.

So instead of f*ckin up public sector workers sh*t, why not legislate to enforce private sector employers make adequate provision for their workers retirements?

Out of what? How? You think bill the butcher can afford to pay pensions of his employers?

It's hard enough for SME's to stay in business as it is!

It's up to the individual to save for their own retirement, not their employer.

thats laughable at best

 

[Meester Pees]

And private sector workers have been penalised for hte last 14 years by Brown's tax grab on their company schemes in 1997 and now we're all being penalised for his complete and wanton mismanagement of our national finances both in the face of advice given by the Treasury that it was wrong.

I don't begrudge anyone a decent pension but the point as originally made was that public sector pensions are largely funded by taxpayers. Plus the public sector worker is still better off pension-wise than most of his or her privste sector counterparts.

So instead of f*ckin up public sector workers sh*t, why not legislate to enforce private sector employers make adequate provision for their workers retirements?

Out of what? How? You think bill the butcher can afford to pay pensions of his employers?

It's hard enough for SME's to stay in business as it is!

It's up to the individual to save for their own retirement, not their employer.

Oh shut up, you d*ck. Money's a f*cking made up thing. There's no such thing as the law of economics - It's not a science. Swallow it though, lots of others have done.

And if "Bill the fruity butcher" can't afford to pay pensions and holiday pay then HE'S GOT NO BUSINESS BEING IN BUSINESS, has he? There's no god-given right.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

but that's not the fault of the public sector workers of today
that's the government using the money in years gone by to prop them up

yet it is today's workers they are looking to penalise

And private sector workers have been penalised for hte last 14 years by Brown's tax grab on their company schemes in 1997 and now we're all being penalised for his complete and wanton mismanagement of our national finances both in the face of advice given by the Treasury that it was wrong.

I don't begrudge anyone a decent pension but the point as originally made was that public sector pensions are largely funded by taxpayers. Plus the public sector worker is still better off pension-wise than most of his or her privste sector counterparts.

So instead of f*ckin up public sector workers sh*t, why not legislate to enforce private sector employers make adequate provision for their workers retirements?

That's a total non-sequitur. But for what it's worth, I would set up a system similar to the one in Singapore and other places where an individual takes their own pension "pot", including employer & state contributions, with them wherever they work.

 

[SWP's back]

Go on.... Explain.

You think a company with 3 or 10 employees struggling to stay in business can afford to pay the pensions of it's workers?

I take it you don't work in any controlling or important capacity as you have not a fucking clue it would appear after reading ramblings for months.

My point is so laughable that it is government policy in every country in the developed world. Hmmm.

 

[ernesto]

Go on.... Explain.

You think a company with 3 or 10 employees struggling to stay in business can afford to pay the pensions of it's workers?

I take it you don't work in any controlling or important capacity as you have not a fucking clue it would appear after reading ramblings for months.

My point is so laughable that it is government policy in every country in the developed world. Hmmm.

doesn`t mean its right though does it, oh font of financial fiddlers

 

[Meester Pees]

Go on.... Explain.

You think a company with 3 or 10 employees struggling to stay in business can afford to pay the pensions of it's workers?

I take it you don't work in any controlling or important capacity as you have not a fucking clue it would appear after reading ramblings for months.

My point is so laughable that it is government policy in every country in the developed world. Hmmm.

Why do you seem to think a company that can't afford to p[ay the pensions of it's 3 to 10 workers has some kind of divine right to stay in business. - The working classes don't owe you chumps a living.

 

[ernesto]

Go on.... Explain.

You think a company with 3 or 10 employees struggling to stay in business can afford to pay the pensions of it's workers?

I take it you don't work in any controlling or important capacity as you have not a fucking clue it would appear after reading ramblings for months.

My point is so laughable that it is government policy in every country in the developed world. Hmmm.

Why do you seem to think a company that can't afford to p[ay the pensions of it's 3 to 10 workers has some kind of divine right to stay in business. - The working classes don't owe you chumps a living.

you won`t win hes always right donch ya know

 

[dom]

Exactly. That's what people don't realise. And I've just used a simple example with cash figures. The pensions will be subject to a CPI increase which I've ignored.

but that's not the fault of the public sector workers of today
that's the government using the money in years gone by to prop them up

yet it is today's workers they are looking to penalise

And private sector workers have been penalised for hte last 14 years by Brown's tax grab on their company schemes in 1997 and now we're all being penalised for his complete and wanton mismanagement of our national finances both in the face of advice given by the Treasury that it was wrong.

I don't begrudge anyone a decent pension but the point as originally made was that public sector pensions are largely funded by taxpayers. Plus the public sector worker is still better off pension-wise than most of his or her privste sector counterparts.

So this whole mess has nothing to do with the global behaviour of the banks?

even the most right wing US economists don't deny this....Brown not only managed the economy in good faith under the pre crisis conditions, when the irresponible unfettered greed driven banking crisis hit and half the world were wringing their hands, he at least proposed a way through..and this was ackowledged by many world leaders....

The difference has been in the response...most countries , including the US have realised that there has to be a judicious response that will not threaten the economic infrastructure, whilst acknowledeging the need to limit spending.
The tory-led coalition, on the other hand, thought it was a gift for driving through ideologially-driven and ill thought through reforms. The disingenuous blaming of the global capital crisis on Brown beggars belief

A poor diagnosis will usually lead to poor prescription and one need look no further than the amount of U turns on half baked Con Dem 'radical' policy initiatives especially in health and education.

They are a sight to behold !!!

Poor old David two brains Willets

and Poor old minus 1 brain Gove !!!

Lte's not even start on poor old Andrew Landslide .... !!!!!

this is 'back of a fag packet' politics the like of which I have never witnessed in 52 years on this planet

the tories have still not to be challenged one though I noticed a political commentator AT LAST on last night's Newsnight actually raised this very point.

 

[Blue Maverick]

£28k a year for fireman is correct but you could always apply for the job, we also pay 11% rising to 15% towards our pension from that money, work 7 out of 8 weekends and nights and most bank holidays, I don't want any sympathy etc but I get paid adequately for my job which entered into a contract with my employers, if I was to break that contract I would be sacked so how can they break it and me just roll over, the same goes for anyone in any job. Unfortunately I can't leave GMC fire service and join another for better terms because its a national thing and believe it or not I like my job, but that's all it is a job, anyone can apply so stop complaining about earning £6.25 an hour get your name down next time they recruit .