Teachers to strike?

[Lucky13]

So public sector workers are going to strike because they have to pay more into THEIR OWN pension.

Can't blame them can you?

 

[Skashion]

I'd dance on his grave.

Whenever someone says something like that about Thatcher, you claim it's wrong morally.

 

[metalblue]

Just in what way was/is Brown ' a ****' ?

He put his own ego before the country. Any chancellor that declares he has eradicated boom and bust is deluded beyond belief. His dellusion allowed him to spend billions upon billions more than he received and when he wasn't borrowing it directly he was thinking PPI was the answer. You, sir, might not think brown a ****, but don't be surprised, or offended, if your kids and/or their kids do.

 

[SWP's back]

I'd dance on his grave.

Whenever someone says something like that about Thatcher, you claim it's wrong morally.

Which is why I'm shocked you failed to see it was both ironic and tongue in cheek.

For shame

 

[Skashion]

I'd dance on his grave.

Whenever someone says something like that about Thatcher, you claim it's wrong morally.

Which is why I'm shocked you failed to see it was both ironic and tongue in cheek.

For shame

Fair enough.

 

[foxy]

Hey, go easy mate!

You're asking someone whose ignorance shines bright as a beacon to actually provide facts to back up their misguided Daily Mail reading "knowledge" of a subject.

No point arguing facts with this one... just go with the "all public sector workers are lazy bastards who should be sacked", and you'll fit right in with the mood of this messageboard!

It was funny listening to Francis Maude on the radio this morning wittering on about how school teaching is a "vocation" and it shouldn't be about money.... and that coming from an MP!

You could not make it up...

Ofcourse tax funds the pension pot in the public sector, why else would they be putting forward plans for Teachers to contribute more to their pensions?!

I didn't mention that they are lazy bastards who should be sacked, I'm indicating that everybody in some way has had suffered from this recession and why shouldn't teachers? Yes it's a shame with what's happened with the pension contribution increase but it's a price to pay, the teachers still have jobs..

It's funny how the public sector have only just woken up to the reality of the recession in recent months when it had finally indirectly hit them. I didn't see any of these unions or members of the public sector up in arms when the crunch first hit the private sector. Many people in this country have had to put up with harsher consequences such as been made redundant with short notice.

you really are a naive or thick twunt
I think many in the public sector have woken up to this long before your vaunted opinion states. Agreed many in the private sector have gone through hardship, however not the w(b)ankers who caused much of the trouble have.
For years the lowest paid staff in the public sector have borne underhand cuts with years of pay rises always below the annual inflation level. Then last year their pay was frozen and will be for the foreseeable future. Furthermore teachers will also face a minimum of a two year pay freeze as well as having to increase their pension contributions agreed several years ago. This is now a double whammy that has not been negotiated.
The argument that teachers get good salaries is quite laughable. For years successive governments have wanted teachers to be highly skilled and to be an 'all degree' profession. If that's to be the case you have to pay for it, you pay peanuts you get monkeys. I have a physics degree and a degree in chemistry, both highly sought after skills these days, but a teacher in the sciences gets paid very little as opposed to someone working in the private sector. And they don't get a car, or car allowance, no private health care, and they have to take their billions of weeks holiday a year when every other fucker and their kids are off.
It would be fantastic to walk into work and say I'm taking the 12/13th September off to see City in play in the Champs League for the first time, but if you are a teacher you get a 'no' or you will be sacked.
You seem to think teachers, and the public service, should have to pay for the Government's cock ups, and i can assure you that they are. However this 'golden' pension you talk of is bollocks spouted by those who should no better but choose, for political gain, not to.

-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:41 pm --

No they aren't.

Correct, they aren't - only local government pensions are funded.

I do feel a little sorry for teachers thou, they contribute more than most PS workers to their pension pots.

this without doubt
teachers' pensions are far better than pensions if you work for the local council, but teachers also put a great deal into it
furthermore the government don't invest this money, like a private pension, but instead use it to pay for government bills, without this money from teachers over the they would be truly fucked, and now they are reneging on paying back the loan.
had all the money teachers paid in been invested there wouldn't be an issue

Teachers get way above the national average wage. Not everyone in the private sector is a "B(w)anker" as you state, plenty graft hard for little reward and few benefits. And again yes they do have a generous pension compared to private pensions and you know it. No point in insulting me making personal attacks, I am entitled to my opinions based on fact as are you.

Everyone I know who is a teacher seems to be quite well off. As regards to missing champs league games, people in many professions are denied leave including myself. I had to pull a sicky from work last week to attend an interview because I would be denied the leave.

 

[Blue Maverick]

@mancitymick and there you make my point for me, yes I knew what I was signing for and that's the pension I signed up for, couple of points starting is £21k not £25, I don't mind working weekends I prefer time off during the week, it's 2 days 2 nights, a sleeping day then 3 off, I still work same amount of hours as everyone else on an average 37 hour week. By the same token a squaddie knows what he's signing on for these days no one forces him and before you start I did over 12 years in the RAF and still have many friends serving who moan about the forces as much as many fireman et al moan, only difference is they can't strike!!

 

[117 M34]

Ofcourse tax funds the pension pot in the public sector, why else would they be putting forward plans for Teachers to contribute more to their pensions?!

I didn't mention that they are lazy bastards who should be sacked, I'm indicating that everybody in some way has had suffered from this recession and why shouldn't teachers? Yes it's a shame with what's happened with the pension contribution increase but it's a price to pay, the teachers still have jobs..

It's funny how the public sector have only just woken up to the reality of the recession in recent months when it had finally indirectly hit them. I didn't see any of these unions or members of the public sector up in arms when the crunch first hit the private sector. Many people in this country have had to put up with harsher consequences such as been made redundant with short notice.

you really are a naive or thick twunt
I think many in the public sector have woken up to this long before your vaunted opinion states. Agreed many in the private sector have gone through hardship, however not the w(b)ankers who caused much of the trouble have.
For years the lowest paid staff in the public sector have borne underhand cuts with years of pay rises always below the annual inflation level. Then last year their pay was frozen and will be for the foreseeable future. Furthermore teachers will also face a minimum of a two year pay freeze as well as having to increase their pension contributions agreed several years ago. This is now a double whammy that has not been negotiated.
The argument that teachers get good salaries is quite laughable. For years successive governments have wanted teachers to be highly skilled and to be an 'all degree' profession. If that's to be the case you have to pay for it, you pay peanuts you get monkeys. I have a physics degree and a degree in chemistry, both highly sought after skills these days, but a teacher in the sciences gets paid very little as opposed to someone working in the private sector. And they don't get a car, or car allowance, no private health care, and they have to take their billions of weeks holiday a year when every other fucker and their kids are off.
It would be fantastic to walk into work and say I'm taking the 12/13th September off to see City in play in the Champs League for the first time, but if you are a teacher you get a 'no' or you will be sacked.
You seem to think teachers, and the public service, should have to pay for the Government's cock ups, and i can assure you that they are. However this 'golden' pension you talk of is bollocks spouted by those who should no better but choose, for political gain, not to.

-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:41 pm --

Correct, they aren't - only local government pensions are funded.

I do feel a little sorry for teachers thou, they contribute more than most PS workers to their pension pots.

this without doubt
teachers' pensions are far better than pensions if you work for the local council, but teachers also put a great deal into it
furthermore the government don't invest this money, like a private pension, but instead use it to pay for government bills, without this money from teachers over the they would be truly fucked, and now they are reneging on paying back the loan.
had all the money teachers paid in been invested there wouldn't be an issue

Teachers get way above the national average wage. Not everyone in the private sector is a "B(w)anker" as you state, plenty graft hard for little reward and few benefits. And again yes they do have a generous pension compared to private pensions and you know it. No point in insulting me making personal attacks, I am entitled to my opinions based on fact as are you.

Everyone I know who is a teacher seems to be quite well off. As regards to missing champs league games, people in many professions are denied leave including myself. I had to pull a sicky from work last week to attend an interview because I would be denied the leave.

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

 

[SWP's back]

you really are a naive or thick twunt
I think many in the public sector have woken up to this long before your vaunted opinion states. Agreed many in the private sector have gone through hardship, however not the w(b)ankers who caused much of the trouble have.
For years the lowest paid staff in the public sector have borne underhand cuts with years of pay rises always below the annual inflation level. Then last year their pay was frozen and will be for the foreseeable future. Furthermore teachers will also face a minimum of a two year pay freeze as well as having to increase their pension contributions agreed several years ago. This is now a double whammy that has not been negotiated.
The argument that teachers get good salaries is quite laughable. For years successive governments have wanted teachers to be highly skilled and to be an 'all degree' profession. If that's to be the case you have to pay for it, you pay peanuts you get monkeys. I have a physics degree and a degree in chemistry, both highly sought after skills these days, but a teacher in the sciences gets paid very little as opposed to someone working in the private sector. And they don't get a car, or car allowance, no private health care, and they have to take their billions of weeks holiday a year when every other fucker and their kids are off.
It would be fantastic to walk into work and say I'm taking the 12/13th September off to see City in play in the Champs League for the first time, but if you are a teacher you get a 'no' or you will be sacked.
You seem to think teachers, and the public service, should have to pay for the Government's cock ups, and i can assure you that they are. However this 'golden' pension you talk of is bollocks spouted by those who should no better but choose, for political gain, not to.

-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:41 pm --


this without doubt
teachers' pensions are far better than pensions if you work for the local council, but teachers also put a great deal into it
furthermore the government don't invest this money, like a private pension, but instead use it to pay for government bills, without this money from teachers over the they would be truly fucked, and now they are reneging on paying back the loan.
had all the money teachers paid in been invested there wouldn't be an issue

Teachers get way above the national average wage. Not everyone in the private sector is a "B(w)anker" as you state, plenty graft hard for little reward and few benefits. And again yes they do have a generous pension compared to private pensions and you know it. No point in insulting me making personal attacks, I am entitled to my opinions based on fact as are you.

Everyone I know who is a teacher seems to be quite well off. As regards to missing champs league games, people in many professions are denied leave including myself. I had to pull a sicky from work last week to attend an interview because I would be denied the leave.

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

The average teacher wage is above the average national wage.

How old are you and how long have you been qualified?

 

[117 M34]

Teachers get way above the national average wage. Not everyone in the private sector is a "B(w)anker" as you state, plenty graft hard for little reward and few benefits. And again yes they do have a generous pension compared to private pensions and you know it. No point in insulting me making personal attacks, I am entitled to my opinions based on fact as are you.

Everyone I know who is a teacher seems to be quite well off. As regards to missing champs league games, people in many professions are denied leave including myself. I had to pull a sicky from work last week to attend an interview because I would be denied the leave.

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

The average teacher wage is above the average national wage.

How old are you and how long have you been qualified?

I'm 25 and been teachign for 3 years. I get the point you are making, maybe I am paid more than the average for my age and years of experience compared to other jobs - but why shouldn't I? I work longer hours than average and have a good university degree. Also I have a student loan to pay off, which is a significant amount paid out every month.