Teachers to strike?

[squirtyflower]

@foxy

Yes teachers do earn higher than the average wage
But then again they do have a degree and a post grad qualification, therefore a minimum of four years at a higher education establishment

At least we have got somewhere now, you accepting that the lies you spouted were your opinion
I agree, you are fully entitled to an opinion on any matter, but you dressed up them up as facts, hence the abuse as your 'facts' are plainly incorrect bollocks, but your true opinion

I can live with your opinions, just can't stand your twisted logic

PS my b(w)anker crack was aimed at the bankers who fucked up, not all workers
Either it was too subtle or you are a banker

And you've shown your true feelings today, it's all personal as all teachers you know are 'well off', so fucking what? All the doctors and dentists I know are well off, and quite rightly too. Don't be so jealous of others, instead, if the job's so easy, become a teacher and be well of with billions of weeks holiday
I know of very few workers who are not allowed to take leave if they desire it

 

[Cheesy]

you really are a naive or thick twunt
I think many in the public sector have woken up to this long before your vaunted opinion states. Agreed many in the private sector have gone through hardship, however not the w(b)ankers who caused much of the trouble have.
For years the lowest paid staff in the public sector have borne underhand cuts with years of pay rises always below the annual inflation level. Then last year their pay was frozen and will be for the foreseeable future. Furthermore teachers will also face a minimum of a two year pay freeze as well as having to increase their pension contributions agreed several years ago. This is now a double whammy that has not been negotiated.
The argument that teachers get good salaries is quite laughable. For years successive governments have wanted teachers to be highly skilled and to be an 'all degree' profession. If that's to be the case you have to pay for it, you pay peanuts you get monkeys. I have a physics degree and a degree in chemistry, both highly sought after skills these days, but a teacher in the sciences gets paid very little as opposed to someone working in the private sector. And they don't get a car, or car allowance, no private health care, and they have to take their billions of weeks holiday a year when every other fucker and their kids are off.
It would be fantastic to walk into work and say I'm taking the 12/13th September off to see City in play in the Champs League for the first time, but if you are a teacher you get a 'no' or you will be sacked.
You seem to think teachers, and the public service, should have to pay for the Government's cock ups, and i can assure you that they are. However this 'golden' pension you talk of is bollocks spouted by those who should no better but choose, for political gain, not to.

-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:41 pm --


this without doubt
teachers' pensions are far better than pensions if you work for the local council, but teachers also put a great deal into it
furthermore the government don't invest this money, like a private pension, but instead use it to pay for government bills, without this money from teachers over the they would be truly fucked, and now they are reneging on paying back the loan.
had all the money teachers paid in been invested there wouldn't be an issue

Teachers get way above the national average wage. Not everyone in the private sector is a "B(w)anker" as you state, plenty graft hard for little reward and few benefits. And again yes they do have a generous pension compared to private pensions and you know it. No point in insulting me making personal attacks, I am entitled to my opinions based on fact as are you.

Everyone I know who is a teacher seems to be quite well off. As regards to missing champs league games, people in many professions are denied leave including myself. I had to pull a sicky from work last week to attend an interview because I would be denied the leave.

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

 

[squirtyflower]

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

he's right
The starting salary for a teacher is about £21000, so he would start below the national average and be so for a number of years

 

[117 M34]

Teachers get way above the national average wage. Not everyone in the private sector is a "B(w)anker" as you state, plenty graft hard for little reward and few benefits. And again yes they do have a generous pension compared to private pensions and you know it. No point in insulting me making personal attacks, I am entitled to my opinions based on fact as are you.

Everyone I know who is a teacher seems to be quite well off. As regards to missing champs league games, people in many professions are denied leave including myself. I had to pull a sicky from work last week to attend an interview because I would be denied the leave.

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

I agve my figure from this website - I don't know how accurate that is, maybe your source is wrong, maybe that website is wrong.

To earn 30k as a teacher you need to have been teaching for a minimum of 6 years - all of which must have had successful performance management, so may be much longer to have 6 perforamance management that have been good enough to move up the pay scale.

<a class="postlink" href="http://career-advice.monster.co.uk/salary-benefits/pay-salary-advice/uk-average-salary-graphs/article.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://career-advice.monster.co.uk/sala ... ticle.aspx</a>

 

[Cheesy]

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

he's right
The starting salary for a teacher is about £21000, so he would start below the national average and be so for a number of years

I'm saying the average wage for a bloke in the UK isn't 30K.<br /><br />-- Thu Jun 16, 2011 5:36 pm --<br /><br />

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

I agve my figure from this website - I don't know how accurate that is, maybe your source is wrong, maybe that website is wrong.

To earn 30k as a teacher you need to have been teaching for a minimum of 6 years - all of which must have had successful performance management, so may be much longer to have 6 perforamance management that have been good enough to move up the pay scale.

<a class="postlink" href="http://career-advice.monster.co.uk/salary-benefits/pay-salary-advice/uk-average-salary-graphs/article.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://career-advice.monster.co.uk/sala ... ticle.aspx</a>

Fair do's, but I trust the ONS more on wages figures :-)

 

[SWP's back]

I'm a teacher and I'm skint, so not all are rich.

The average wage for a make in the UK is £30,440 (according to a website I have just found). I am on much less than that so your point is invalid and incorrect.

BTW - at our school, all of the teachers have decided to strike on the 30th June so school will be closed that day.

The average teacher wage is above the average national wage.

How old are you and how long have you been qualified?

I'm 25 and been teachign for 3 years. I get the point you are making, maybe I am paid more than the average for my age and years of experience compared to other jobs - but why shouldn't I? I work longer hours than average and have a good university degree. Also I have a student loan to pay off, which is a significant amount paid out every month.

I'm not saying you shouldn't.

I do not begrudge anyone earning what they can earn be it £30k or £300k per week.

 

[metalblue]

£30k is not an outlandish wage for the task, we as a nation, are entrusting to teachers, I'm surprised it is as low as that.

We do need to look at education in this country IMHO, make school relevant for the less academic for a start, weed out the crap teachers, of which there are many, and pay those that are left a decent wage to keep them motivate and attract motivated people to the profession. Sadly the profession comes across as being too militant to know how to achieve this.

 

[SWP's back]

@foxy

Yes teachers do earn higher than the average wage
But then again they do have a degree and a post grad qualification, therefore a minimum of four years at a higher education establishment

At least we have got somewhere now, you accepting that the lies you spouted were your opinion
I agree, you are fully entitled to an opinion on any matter, but you dressed up them up as facts, hence the abuse as your 'facts' are plainly incorrect bollocks, but your true opinion

I can live with your opinions, just can't stand your twisted logic

PS my b(w)anker crack was aimed at the bankers who fucked up, not all workers
Either it was too subtle or you are a banker

And you've shown your true feelings today, it's all personal as all teachers you know are 'well off', so fucking what? All the doctors and dentists I know are well off, and quite rightly too. Don't be so jealous of others, instead, if the job's so easy, become a teacher and be well of with billions of weeks holiday
I know of very few workers who are not allowed to take leave if they desire it

Care to explain who these bankers were Squirty? And what they did and how liable they were? And do you mean British bankers or worldwide, it is just that no mortgage books in the UK were in the red and the US debt was packaged in such a way as to hide its risk.

Bankers is a term used by so many and understood by so few.

 

[Cheesy]

£30k is not an outlandish wage for the task, we as a nation, are entrusting to teachers, I'm surprised it is as low as that.

We do need to look at education in this country IMHO, make school relevant for the less academic for a start, weed out the crap teachers, of which there are many, and pay those that are left a decent wage to keep them motivate and attract motivated people to the profession. Sadly the profession comes across as being too militant to know how to achieve this.

I'm all for teachers having a better wage. For one thing it's one of the options I'm considering when I leave the mob :-)

Your point about getting rid of incompetent ones is one of the main problems though. The vast majority of teachers are excellent & well motivated, there are however far too many useless fuckers out there. As of July last year, how many of them have been sacked in the last 40 years???

Just 18!

 

[Gelsons Dad]

I just don't believe that figure is accurate. The info I've found from the ONS is that the average wage for a male in the UK is about 27K. The average wage for a teacher is about 30K.

he's right
The starting salary for a teacher is about £21000, so he would start below the national average and be so for a number of years

That number would be 5.

So for the next 30 years he will be earning well over. The average pay for teachers across the uk is closer to 34K. But this isn't the point. The point is the pension scheme is untenable and disproportionate and that is what the government is trying to redress.