Tevez can go if he isnt happy - Mancini

[samharris]

Dave,you admit there is a problem,what do you think it is?

There is significant uncertainty amongst the playing staff.

They don't know who will be managing them next year.

This uncertainty undermines Mancini and there are players disillusioned with the way that we train (not the hours but the way) and there are players who don't have confidence in his tactics and ability get the best from the squad he has. I believe a couple were not happy with the way he handled their personal problems this year.

There are always rumblings amongst players, but if Mancini had been given an outright mandate as manager when he took over these would not be coming out.

I feel sorry for him, I think he's in a very difficult position. He handles himself professionally and with dignity in front of the press.

Its a bit like the unruly school kids giving the temp teacher grief...
If and when Bob is made permanent maybe things will change.

 

[bizzbo]

Robbie, that's a signigicant misrepresentation of the facts.

I have never sided with any disgruntled player, far from it. I don't want City players rocking the boat at a time like this.

The point I have consitently made is that there is a problem, and it can't be ignored.

The rest is in your imagination.

Personally, I don't see much in this "story". The press ask questions, he answers them with a relatively straight bat, the press spin in into more of a story.

I haven't seen the press conference but that's what the quotes say to me.

I would assume the presser will be on the official site today, I am certain there will be a collection of quotes which all arrive at today's articles.

Tevez's agent Kia Joorabachian's influence cannot be overlooked, there are clear opportunities for him to make his annual coin.

DD tried to allude to the clear frostiness of the relationship as Carlos was subbed towards the end of the Birmingham game.

If anybody has it, this will clear many things up.

I know this is hypothetical, but based on what has come out in the press today, Tevez certainly will not be happy.

However, what does anyone think the reaction might be if he dropped him tomorrow and for remaining games.

He has downed tools in the last two games.

I don't agree with that last bit. I think part of it is him not running himself into the ground, he knows this weeks games are the big ones.

 

[m27]

There is significant uncertainty amongst the playing staff.

They don't know who will be managing them next year.

This uncertainty undermines Mancini and there are players disillusioned with the way that we train (not the hours but the way) and there are players who don't have confidence in his tactics and ability get the best from the squad he has. I believe a couple were not happy with the way he handled their personal problems this year.

There are always rumblings amongst players, but if Mancini had been given an outright mandate as manager when he took over these would not be coming out.

I feel sorry for him, I think he's in a very difficult position. He handles himself professionally and with dignity in front of the press.

Its a bit like the unruly school kids giving the temp teacher grief...
If and when Bob is made permanent maybe things will change.

Very good analogy.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I disagree with Gary James in this instance, I think Mancini knows when he talks about his conversation with Tevez that it is bound to give rise to a story. There was a concious decision to take on the issue. In this instance I have to think he is deliberately bearing his teeth, asserting his authority and stamping down hard on what looked like a fairly minor transgression. (None of this justifies the salacious attitude of some posters in recent weeks. There needn't have been any widespread or serious problem. He could very well be stamping out any problems before they became serious.) We've seen the quiet side of him but there is far more going on than that, anyone who saw him bawl out Inter players from the touchline will know what I am talking about. His Inter team rowed their way to three Championships. People who say he should keep his mouth shut would do well to realise that.

Criticising him for saying this or that is stupid. All that matters now is winning the games. You have to understand that pressure comes in many forms, there is good pressure, and bad pressure. . The speculation might appear like bad pressure, but I don't see it that way, Mancini chose to confront the issues head on, removing any uncertainty about how he sees things. He has taken the opportunity to assert his authority and let them all know where they stand if they have a problem with that. Uncertainty and fear of failure are the enemy. A row that removes these things becomes a Good Row.

Team morale is not, and has never been, the same thing as peacefully getting along with each other. Happiness is one thing, but you should only be happy when things have gone well. Things going well depends on clarity and absolute commitment. That goes for every single player at the club. You don't have to like your team mate or your boss, you just have to work your bollocks of for the next week, give everything to win. You're here to win, not to make friends and feel comfortable with everything. Winning will make you happy, and you won't care who or what you like and dislike.


There should be very serious discussions as to the games this weekend and any uncertainty has to be removed from the matter all together. You do what I say, you play as part of the team, we all learn our jobs, then we do them to the utmost. You can argue about tactics but this team has had too many moments when they didn't do everything in their power as individuals to win the game, or secure the point. Moments where they became uncertain as to what they were trying to do. Moments where they weren't thinking about the gameplan, god knows what they were thinking about. Moments when they ghosted through games. Moments where they just didn't think about what they were doing. That has to stop now, everyone has to know exactly what they are doing, step up to the challenge and give their absolute all.

So I wouldn't worry if they did row about tactics and responsibilities, because the one thing about a good row, a row about an issue, is everyone comes out of it with absolute clarity about that issue. You put your side across, leave nothing out, they do the same, everyone is genuinely engaging, even if it's not pretty. It's better to be rowing and fighting now about this stuff, pointing fingers at each other and saying 'you better do X', than rowing and fighting after the event, blaming each other for what you didn't do, as was the case after the first Spurs match. There were no reports of unhappiness before that one, despite the rumours surrounding Hughes' future, despite the fact that Robinho and others had walked all over Hughes in the weeks before. Of course it all ended in tears, he dropped them after the event but the damage was done. Getting tough too late is ridiculous.

When you fight, fear is the last thing on your mind. That's the state of mind he wants. No fear of failure. No fear of what the opponent might do. The only acceptable fear is fear of what might happen if you don't do your best, fear of how you might feel afterwards having lost, having thrown away the opportunity to win.

great post

 

[Didsbury Dave]

so you are disagreeing with someone who was actually at the press conference..

have a day off ffs.

well, I read the quotes on reuters.

But yeah I know, I hate myself for going on. I had a spare half an hour. if it really means that much I'll delete it.

It doesn't matter whether you were there or not, bizzbo, don't apologise for giving a perfectly reasonable opinion.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Great post Tolmie.

Strangely, Real's increasing love affair with Mourinho may help us finish our season on a high. I think it's pretty nailed on Mourinho will be going to Real so Mancini can now really look forward to being here next season and start putting his mark on the club.

Some players, Tevez included, may not like that, but there's a strong possibilty no-one will match our asking fee and his wages. So if he's got any sense, he'll soon realise this and get on with the job he is handsomely paid to do.

For the record, I think the media were mischief making yetserday but that doesn't mean there wasn't an issue in the first place. I trust Tolmie, DD and PB on this one.

We wanted certainty about next season in regard to the management and I reckon we're close to getting it at just the right time.

If Jose does end up at Real, I fear Tevez won't be far behind him

The bearing of Mancini's teeth, if nothing else, certainly coincides with postings on here in the last week or so that Marwood is briefing certain parties...

 

[flb]

Dave,you admit there is a problem,what do you think it is?

There is significant uncertainty amongst the playing staff.

They don't know who will be managing them next year.

This uncertainty undermines Mancini and there are players disillusioned with the way that we train (not the hours but the way) and there are players who don't have confidence in his tactics and ability get the best from the squad he has. I believe a couple were not happy with the way he handled their personal problems this year.

There are always rumblings amongst players, but if Mancini had been given an outright mandate as manager when he took over these would not be coming out.

I feel sorry for him, I think he's in a very difficult position. He handles himself professionally and with dignity in front of the press.

Surely now Dave they know who is manager next season,this is player power at its most crudest-trying to instigate a fan revolt to undermime the manager by talking to the press,stories appearing on here about players being unhappy at the club and possibly leaving to local rivals.

I agree that Mancini could have handled the Tevez situation better when he flew home to Argentina for his daughter but we dont know the full story on that one.

Its this type of player power that will stop us winning anything ever-im just really surprised that Cook/Marwood and Mancini have let these stories go unpunished for so long-regardless of the uncertainty over Mancinis future.
It should be club policy barring any player from talking to the press without MCFC permission.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I would assume the presser will be on the official site today, I am certain there will be a collection of quotes which all arrive at today's articles.

Tevez's agent Kia Joorabachian's influence cannot be overlooked, there are clear opportunities for him to make his annual coin.

DD tried to allude to the clear frostiness of the relationship as Carlos was subbed towards the end of the Birmingham game.

If anybody has it, this will clear many things up.

I know this is hypothetical, but based on what has come out in the press today, Tevez certainly will not be happy.

However, what does anyone think the reaction might be if he dropped him tomorrow and for remaining games.

He has downed tools in the last two games.

I don't agree with that last bit. I think part of it is him not running himself into the ground, he knows this weeks games are the big ones.

C'mon, Biz, mate.

You don't get bigger than United and Arsenal. He's hardly going to take an educated guess that we would still be in the hunt for fourth at this stage.

I want him coming out and scoring at least five goals in these last three games, he's that good.

 

[Bonol]

Why the FUCK is Mancini talking about this before one of the most important games in our recent history. Fucking plank should keep his mouth shut.

Correct, i bet MON is laughing his socks off. Villa players are saying little things like, the powder puff statement, "the pressure is on City", woooooh, thats strong stuff, nowhere near as strong as, my best player with 28 goals can fuck off at the end of the season, great way to prepare for one of the biggest games we have played in a long while.

 

[samharris]

so you are disagreeing with someone who was actually at the press conference..

have a day off ffs.

well, I read the quotes on reuters.

But yeah I know, I hate myself for going on. I had a spare half an hour. if it really means that much I'll delete it.

dont be daft.:)