Tevez team crank up the war

[waspish]

There's no problem. Relax.

He's not going on loan or being sold to another English club.

Will he back down and say sorry though? If he does he's back in our squad and an option

 

[Gelsons Dad]

It's VERY clear when you see the Mancini interview right after the game that Mancini was in shock. He almost had tears in his eyes. They'd lost a big game and in his eyes (and most of the world) Tevez refused to play.

It now 'transpires' that Tevez at the very least refused to warm up, and it's proven to be difficult to prove he actually refused to play - but that's irrelevant, we all saw it - a bad attitude in a time of real need.

So, Mancini, like most of us, lost his rag but still stayed quite well composed given the situation and said "he's finished with me- will never play again" etc

Weeks on, he's cooled, and all the investigation conducted.
He's legally on a sticky wicket NOT playing him again - basically it's illegal. If he limits the career opportunity of Tevez from malice he's in trouble and so are the club (since it's not down to Mancini alone). Arguably there are enough reasons to leave him out of the team - we're playing well, no pending injury crises etc, but the more we keep him training with kids, and not getting a look in, the more we open ourselves to legal recourse from the Tevez camp. Like it or lump it, that's fact.

It doesn't make Mancini an idiot if he has to play Tevez again, it makes the 'system' prone to failure in such conditions. Like the 2 week fine being the maximum allowed - that's not City, it's the PFA (and agreed by clubs, including City before this incident).

It can't be easy for Mancini having to do that. It's not easy for most City fans either. And of course, the idiotic fans of other teams (but not all) will say "City had the chance to make an example and failed" - well the truth is, City are not legally allowed to do that. Nobody is. They POSSIBLY could have fired him, lost a lot of money, and then lost a case from lack of proof that he refused to play.

What other fans SHOULD be saying is this:

"We need to look again at player punishments and what clubs can do with players who are reaping all the rewards, but facing next to no punishment when they misbehave" and BACKING City, rather than taking a chance to swipe at them when they've actually done nothing wrong.

Yes, we're paying some players 200K a week, but that's used against us as if to say "but at 70K a week, you'll get good hard working salt of the earth lads, not prima donnas" - is that REALLy what believe believe?

City's issues are just amplifying what's going on in football.

Personally, I think Carlos has personality problems, and a terrible advisor. We adored him at City and he always put in a shift, but deep down, we're football fans and decent people way before we are City fans, and that's why we back Mancini 100%.

No matter what the row with Mancini, this was about US the fans needing Tevez to come on and help our team. He didn't. It was a moment of petulance (I truly believe that), that Tevez probably regrets - but it crossed a line.

Great post. Covers just about all the bases. There are some other considerations. For example, we have injuries to 2 of our remaining strikers, or all three! I'm quite sure Mancini would use Tevez if needed. Mancini only wants to win and if that meant swallowing his pride he would in an instant. Task first team second individuals last.
I think in all likely hood we have already agreed a transfer but Kia doesn't like the terms so is trying to hook some competition to help negotiate.

 

[McnabsMustache83]

Quotes from Kia. Daily Mirror

Clever move to piss us off or veiled apology?

Tevez 'wants to stay in the Premier League'
Published 22:31 31/10/11 By David McDonnell (8) Recommend

Carlos Tevez wants to move to another Premier League club having been exiled by Manchester City.

Tevez, out of favour with City boss Roberto Mancini following the notorious bench episode against Bayern Munich, is keen to stay in England.

The striker’s City career looks over after Mancini said he was “finished” at the club and Tevez’s advisor, Kia Joorabchian, said the 27-year-old would welcome a move elsewhere in the Premier League.

“His family are now living in England, so he’s quite happy and settled,” said Joorabchian.


“He had some problems about being away from them before, but they are with him now and everything is fine. He’d be happy to move to another Premier League club.”

Tevez was initially charged with refusing to come off the bench under orders from Mancini in a Champions League tie in Munich on September 27.

City were forced to downgrade that charge to one of refusing to carry out duties as a first-team player and duly found Tevez guilty of five separate breaches of his contract.

Although City fined Tevez four weeks’ wages - around £1million - they were forced to halve that penalty on orders from the Professional Footballers’ Association, which sets the rulings for such practices.

“This week, the Professional Footballers’ Association rejected the claim that he had refused to come on as a substitute,” said Joorabchian.

“That has changed everything and clarified what actually happened.

“Carlos was desperate to play. He loves to play the game and always wants to play. Having to sit on the sidelines is very tough for him.

“It’s not easy for him at the moment, but, in the January transfer window, City will want to get him out either on a permanent basis or on loan.

“We’ll have to wait and see what happens.”

Joorabchian did confirm there was no way Tevez would return to former club West Ham, after their boss Sam Allardyce had expressed interest in taking him on loan.

“He loves West Ham... but that’s not going to happen,” said Joorabchian.

Ok Joorabchian, he wants to move to another club in the prem, well he can't ok, know one can afford him unless he takes a pay cut. Its his and your fault in the 1st place you panda eyed little swindling lying conniving shit face. We are Not loaning him out.
Now piss off.

 

[Smajko]

First he wants to leave England and now he wants to stay. Fuck off Tevez you dire twat

 

[Danamy]

There's no problem. Relax.

He's not going on loan or being sold to another English club.

This highlights what i was talking about Tolm

Kia has been angling for a move for a long time with Chelsea in mind.

 

[Tevez City]

There's no problem. Relax.

He's not going on loan or being sold to another English club.

Lets hope so.<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 01, 2011 2:20 pm --<br /><br />

First he wants to leave England and now he wants to stay. Fuck off Tevez you dire twat

Its not a breaking news, Kia said the same words at the beginning of this season .

 

[york away to this!]

So Mancini has said Tevez can play again if he says sorry.


So much for ''He's finished with me'' and he ''will never play for City again''.

Lost some respect for Mancini. I can't imagine Guardiola, Mourinho or Ferguson, 3 of the best managers in Europe ever letting a **** like Tevez play again after refusing to go on as a sub. What a joke.

absolutely right. let's get Hughes back in - he knew how to manage carlos.

mancini out!

 

[dobingsdobber]

bobby saying that if knobhead apologies he can come back into the team has almost certainly come from city's legal dept. i went through an employment tribunal a few years ago (although, has to be said, my wages were slightly less than what knobhead is rumoured to be on) and its v simple, you have to show in a court of law that you have done everything possible to resolve the situation amicably with the other party. if i'm right, then its a brilliant move. city can say that they have tried to resolve it, knowing damn well that there is no way knobhead will apologise. this is all moving forwards in the right direction

Well done mate,sums up the whole thing perfectly

 

[jason_donaldson]

So Mancini has said Tevez can play again if he says sorry.


So much for ''He's finished with me'' and he ''will never play for City again''.

Lost some respect for Mancini. I can't imagine Guardiola, Mourinho or Ferguson, 3 of the best managers in Europe ever letting a **** like Tevez play again after refusing to go on as a sub. What a joke.

Fergie played Scholes a few more times after refusing to play in the cup. No ambiguity he point blank refused to play and said as much. ( I don't mean to imply I thought Carlos refused to warm-up - just stating Scholes didn't even consider turning out).

 

[sincity]

So i am ''wumming'' because i said Mancini is a joke for letting Tevez back in your team when he refused to play?

How on earth is that wumming?

-- Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:52 am --

So Mancini has said Tevez can play again if he says sorry.


So much for ''He's finished with me'' and he ''will never play for City again''.

Lost some respect for Mancini. I can't imagine Guardiola, Mourinho or Ferguson, 3 of the best managers in Europe ever letting a **** like Tevez play again after refusing to go on as a sub. What a joke.

Good job no one gives a flying fuck what you think or how much respect you have for anyone then really isn't it

How can you call this a forum when you never let anybody have an opinion except City are greattttt. What did i exactly say wrong...inform me

-- Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:53 am --

So Mancini has said Tevez can play again if he says sorry.

Huh? Where did you get that from?

It's all over the newspapers today.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/nov/01/carlos-tevez-roberto-mancini-manchester-city" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011 ... ester-city</a>

And pray tell what would Aston Villa have done, if your club were in the exact same situation?? All clubs in the Premier League are constrained by the same rules. If PFA says only two weeks fine, then that's the maximum any club can fine a player. If FIFA rules state that we have to make these players play a certain percentage of matches, else risk losing them for free, then that's exactly City or any other club would be forced to do. And its not like we can just throw away a 40mil player, just cause we have to please the likes of you..

So how can Mancini lose respect if he is bound by the rules? What would your coach have done..who is your coach, by the way?? yeah, must be somebody unimportant, since you're more interested in coming on a City forum and slagging our coach..

If anything, my respect of Mancini has only grown even further. It shows that he is willing to forgive and forget, as long as Tevez apologizes. And that willingness to forgive comes from his own experiences as a player. An arrogant coach like Ferguson would never have done that, if he had the firepower Mancini currently has at his disposal..

So yes, i would have to say that you are indeed wumming...