Thames water

I didn’t say privatisation was a panacea. In fact I don’t believe that, but the fact remains that those calling for nationalisation never say where the money will come from. Govs of all hues have neglected publicly owned services since the year dot because they know that the increase in taxation that would be needed will lose them votes.
My own solution to this conundrum involves changing the role of the HoLords, but that is another story.
Worth noting that when surveyed the public favour a level of public services that would require a 60% tax burden, but baulk at the price.
PS Army partly privatised in Russia!
The thing that people fail to grasp is that these privatised industries belonged to everyone.
This is not the case now.
The NHS is in the pricess of being sold off now. So can anyone tell me what we are paying taxes for?
 
The thing that people fail to grasp is that these privatised industries belonged to everyone.
This is not the case now.
The NHS is in the pricess of being sold off now. So can anyone tell me what we are paying taxes for?
The big problem with the NHS and imo why it's being sold off is the pensions. A nurse can retire at 55. They paid 11% of their pay into the pension for 30 years and will likely live another 30 drawing 50% of their pay. The sums don't add up.

That's why you are paying your taxes. (One reason)
 
The big problem with the NHS and imo why it's being sold off is the pensions. A nurse can retire at 55. They paid 11% of their pay into the pension for 30 years and will likely live another 30 drawing 50% of their pay. The sums don't add up.

That's why you are paying your taxes. (One reason)
Before anyone starts frothing at the mouth with rage, that is not accurate
 
The thing that people fail to grasp is that these privatised industries belonged to everyone.
This is not the case now.
The NHS is in the pricess of being sold off now. So can anyone tell me what we are paying taxes for?
Silly re NHS. Give me one piece of evidence that the NHS is in the process of being sold off. That is just a Corbinesque political slogan which helps not one bit.
The biggest privatisation programme in the NHS was the Blair-Brown building of a pile of new hospitals on the public-private partnership basis. We now effectively rent those hospitals from the private sector. Brown knew perfectly well that funding for them was not available in the budget. Funding is the key issue.
I think people are well aware that privatisation was the transfer from public (our) ownership to private.
 
Thames water is likely to go into public ownership temporarily, 32% owned by Canadian pension fund apparently , no wonder they are much interested in dividends than stopping pumping raw sewage into our rivers. The CEO has stepped down with immediate effect bless her. Straight into another big company I expect
Owned by Canadian Pension Fund?. Nothing new there with these privatised companies. They also own part of Southern Fail.
 
The major shareholder in Avanti and in Transpennine before they were taken back into public ownership is Tren Italia!
 
@Uncle Wally One Ball I wasn't looking for an argument and I wasn't wumming. The ex nurse who I talk to when dog walking retired at 55 after 30 years service. Google states between 8 and 13% of pay goes into pension so I said 11%
It is almost 10% for a band 6, which is more than a lot of other public sector pensions.

The nurse in question will have benefited from the old 85 rule but it has been phased out for the last 17 years.

Retiring early really cuts into the pension more these days, say if I had 30 years behind me and was 55, and on £40k pa the projected pension would be close to £30k at 65. However lose 10 years of contributions reduces it to £22.5k and then around 42% of that for is taken away for retiring 10 years early (as you are expected to claim it longer) and they are only left with £13k of the projected pension and a long wait until the state one tops it up.

Not many will be retiring before 60 in the next couple of decades as they lose too much.
 
There were local monopolies before privatisation, called Councilxyo Water. I got little or no water on Saturday evenings because three local reservoirs had fallen into disuse. Yorkshire Water has rebuilt them and put in new mains. Result! Also cheapest water in England. Mind you, there was a clown running it for years on a massive salary and it took them 20 years to get round to it.
Companies in the ‘70s and ‘80s were run in a way that would be considered egregiously inefficient by their successors. The absence of digital technology meant that organisations generally were poorly run, relative to today.

To cite the way public authorities were run 40 years ago is intellectually dishonest in the absence of presenting similar comparables within the private sector.

In the course of my professional life I am required to interact with many public authorities. Where the lines of responsibility are clearly set out; in my experience those sectors of the public service are efficiently run. Technology has assisted greatly with this. The amount of people ‘on the sick’ in the public sector is a fucking outrage, but notwithstanding that, in my considerable and well-remunerated experience public sector departments are, in the main, very well run, considering the resources available.

I think it’s unfair to simplify the debate around public/private ownership simply around a reference point of British Rail pork pies in the ‘70s. And equally the water network.

I believe a publicly funded organisation, that is sufficiently resourced, could run the railways and water network far better than the cunts who are doing it now.

Happy for anyone to challenge that statement.
 

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