Thanks for filling Wembley....you're banned!

Prestwich_Blue said:
It's still illegal even on here and at face value. That's the stupid thing. As football fans, we're potentially criminals if we sell tickets to other fans, even our mates. However the Facebook page assists points whores as there are tickets on there almost as soon as they start selling (and even before in some cases). That's the difference.
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You are not going to stop it.
 
oakiecokie said:
If you`re trying to make an issue out of it with those wankers from Showsec,I would bet a hundred quid that they would claim you became hostile.Whether its right or wrong mate,once they send for Police back up thats when the shit will hit the fan and they will then warn you and could search you for refusing to prove who you are.I bet the biggest problem we have is down to how many Rag Fans work for Showsec and just go out of their way to antagonise Blues.We`ve seen and heard it all before 80`s.
Shower of twats.
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The police officer would be acting outside of the law. You need to know your rights. An officer can only search you for reasons as explained in my previous post. If Showsec said you were being hostile then the police "could" search you under Section 60, which is a search for weapons only and has been used in riot situations.

Under Section 60 a police officer can search you for weapons only. You will be told you are being searched under Section 60 and you should inform the officer that you will require a record and receipt. That is obviously not possible in a riot situation but they are required to provide one by law when the situation allows it.
Under Section 60
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to force you to give your name and address. If asked for it say "NO COMMENT". If you give it it can be kept on file for 7 years.
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to photograph you. Turn away or cover your face with your hands.
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to search wallets, purses or inside small pockets. This is an S60 search for weapons only. If they ask to search wallets, purses or inside small pockets REFUSE OUTRIGHT.
They CAN search bags but again, for weapons only. Any other items such as documents or potentially incriminating articles are OFF LIMITS.
Do not allow them to examine any of your personal possessions (cash cards, credit cards, diaries, season cards etc.) This is not part of S60. Under Section 8 of the UK Human Rights Act your privacy is assured. They can only confiscate weapons or facial masking. Make sure they know that you know this.
They MUST tell you their name, number and station they are based at and the reason for the search. Ask them for it! Not only will it piss them off, the search is illegal if they don't provide it.
Remember that in an Section 60 situation you are accused of nothing and have done nothing wrong. DO NOT answer any questions however insignificant or polite. Say "NO COMMENT" to everything.

Don't be intimidated by them. They know the law and if you also know it it is surprising how differently a police officer will approach a situation.

Having said all of the above it is unlikely that a Section 60 search would be carried out but not impossible if stewards were insinuating that you could be violent.

In short, a police officer can only search you if they suspect prohibited items such as drugs, weapons or stolen items in which case my previous post explains how you should act or they can perform a Section 60 search where the above in this post is relevant.

Just to reiterate. A police officer cannot search you in order to identify who you are. It is illegal to do so.
 
80s Shorts said:
The police officer would be acting outside of the law. You need to know your rights. An officer can only search you for reasons as explained in my previous post. If Showsec said you were being hostile then the police "could" search you under Section 60, which is a search for weapons only and has been used in riot situations.

Under Section 60 a police officer can search you for weapons only. You will be told you are being searched under Section 60 and you should inform the officer that you will require a record and receipt. That is obviously not possible in a riot situation but they are required to provide one by law when the situation allows it.
Under Section 60
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to force you to give your name and address. If asked for it say "NO COMMENT". If you give it it can be kept on file for 7 years.
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to photograph you. Turn away or cover your face with your hands.
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to search wallets, purses or inside small pockets. This is an S60 search for weapons only. If they ask to search wallets, purses or inside small pockets REFUSE OUTRIGHT.
They CAN search bags but again, for weapons only. Any other items such as documents or potentially incriminating articles are OFF LIMITS.
Do not allow them to examine any of your personal possessions (cash cards, credit cards, diaries, season cards etc.) This is not part of S60. Under Section 8 of the UK Human Rights Act your privacy is assured. They can only confiscate weapons or facial masking. Make sure they know that you know this.
They MUST tell you their name, number and station they are based at and the reason for the search. Ask them for it! Not only will it piss them off, the search is illegal if they don't provide it.
Remember that in an Section 60 situation you are accused of nothing and have done nothing wrong. DO NOT answer any questions however insignificant or polite. Say "NO COMMENT" to everything.

Don't be intimidated by them. They know the law and if you also know it it is surprising how differently a police officer will approach a situation.

Having said all of the above it is unlikely that a Section 60 search would be carried out but not impossible if stewards were insinuating that you could be violent.

In short, a police officer can only search you if they suspect prohibited items such as drugs, weapons or stolen items in which case my previous post explains how you should act or they can perform a Section 60 search where the above in this post is relevant.

Just to reiterate. A police officer cannot search you in order to identify who you are. It is illegal to do so.
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Can they not search you for drugs,maybe not under Section 60 but another regulation ? So if you are arrested or warned for violent behaviour or swearing surely they can then find out who you are by a search ? You can tell I`m a goody two shoes with never having being arrested. ;)
 
oakiecokie said:
Can they not search you for drugs,maybe not under Section 60 but another regulation ? So if you are arrested or warned for violent behaviour or swearing surely they can then find out who you are by a search ? You can tell I`m a goody two shoes with never having being arrested. ;)
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No. If not under section 60 then they are obliged to tell you what they suspect you of carrying and can search for that only. If you held your season card in your hand they cannot forcibly take it from you as it is not what they have informed you they are searching for and as it is not an unlawful prohibited item they would not be searching for it. As I said previously, under Section 8 of the UK Human Rights Act your privacy is protected. That is not to say that somebody may feel intimidated into handing over their season card if asked to do so. The police officer has done nothing wrong if the item is volunteered but he/she has no right to take it from you and you have no reason under law to volunteer it. As ever, under normal circumstances (ie not Section 60) make sure the officer is aware that you wish a full record of the search to be taken and that you require a receipt after the search. This will ensure the search is carried out correctly and within the law.

This discussion has not been about a post arrest situation. We are talking about a steward trying to get you to hand over your identity during, after or prior to a search. I am trying to explain that neither a steward or police officer can force anybody to do so.
 
didsburyblu said:
City reallly are becoming a law unto themselves with this desire to live up to the emptihad jibes by keeping as many seats empty as possible during the games.
They invite you to apply for two extra Tickets on your seasoncard to help shift tickets they cant then as a thankyou they ban you with no explanation right before the derby!
This isn't me its hapoened to just a guy I know he doesn't know what's gone on but he saw the guys who he got Tickets for at full time so they weren't thrown out.
Point is if city allow you to buy extra tickets should you really be held accountable for others actions? I know you are if its your actual seat but when city invite you to buy more and then penalise you its a bit hard faced in my view and is another example of the club driving a wedge between them and the match going fan.

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Nothing to do with MCFC .... refer to the terms and conditions that came with the ticket (Wembley rules) ..... I'm sure you can sell on at face value
 
80s Shorts said:
No. If not under section 60 then they are obliged to tell you what they suspect you of carrying and can search for that only. If you held your season card in your hand they cannot forcibly take it from you as it is not what they have informed you they are searching for. As I said previously, under Section 8 of the UK Human Rights Act your privacy is protected. That is not to say that somebody may feel intimidated into handing over their season card if asked to do so. The police officer has done nothing wrong if the item is volunteered but he/she has no right to take it from you and you have no reason under law to volunteer it. As ever, under normal circumstances (ie not Section 60) make sure the officer is aware that you wish a full record of the search to be taken and that you require a receipt after the search. This will ensure the search is carried out correctly and within the law.

This discussion has not been about a post arrest situation. We are talking about a steward trying to get you to hand over your identity during, after or prior to a search. I am trying to explain that neither a steward or police officer can force anybody to do so.
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Thanks 80`s.You learn something every day on BM.
 
mayo31 said:
Posted this on twitter. James Robson has just sent a message asking for details.

The MEN is interested. Maybe the op contacts them. Give the story. It might get the club a bashing but reading this thread it might be about time fans had a say.
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Is that a good idea really? The MEN are not going to do anyone any favours, and the OP does not know the full facts about this by the sounds. Would not be wise imo
 
Just focusing on at the stadium on match days, as soon as you step into the stadium you give permission to be filmed on CCTV so this is pointless as your face / any searching would be picked up on CCTV as evidence for both you to back up any claim against the police and vice versa,

80s Shorts said:
They have no LEGAL RIGHT to photograph you. Turn away or cover your face with your hands.
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just remember there will be other legislation such as The Police and Criminal Evidence Act which will mean a police officer can search you to gather evidence and section 23 of the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 means they can perform a full search if there is suspicion of a controlled substance.

The police can search for a number of reasons, they just have to have a reason that is reasonable and justifiable,

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/police/police-powers/

also with stop and search they can stop and search you "without reasonable grounds if it has been approved by a senior police officer." if "you’re in a specific location or area"

https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-to-stop-and-search-your-rights
 
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