Thatcher dead

[nijinsky's fetlocks]

The left really do themselves no favours in situations such as this.

The only saving grace for them is that it's over two years to the next election.

Come down off that moral high horse and have a glass of Krug with me,my Liberal friend.
She was a horrible human being by any standards.
Please don't begrudge us bidding good riddance to bad rubbish.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Petrol bombs on Moss Lane East tell you what the youth of Manchester thought of her.

As opposed to them shooting each other, you mean?

I grew up in Moss Side during the riots, off Lloyd Street.

It was a chance to throw bricks at the police and rob shops, nothing more.

 

[Vinjay]

As can be totally expected there's the, ''glad she's dead'' brigade, on here. Can I just ask though what victory has this achieved for you all? She lived to her 80s. Relatively comfortable. I doubt she'll be going to hell as life just ends.
What exactly is it you all think you've achieved in her dying? Hardly a victory.

Either way I'm indifferent. She made some hard calls. She did it the wrong way but I despise Blair and Brown but couldn't give a flying F*** when they die. Just glad they're no longer in power.

People don't usually hate people they have defeated. Sounds like she's the one who won to me and facts would suggest she was a winner her whole life.

 

[TGR]

It's not that I feel any particular need to justify my hatred of a good mate of Pinochet's and Savile's but can you tell me why thirty years of stagnant social mobility is a good thing? Can you tell me why having the lowest social mobility in the western world along with the United States and Portugal is a good thing? If Thatcher was great at promoting industriousness, entrepreneurs and enterprise, why have stood still in providing better opportunities regardless of wealth in three fucking decades? Why is our economy so unbalanced that we focussed solely on financial and services sector to the detriment of the industry she destroyed? Why is it a good thing that we have created paper wealth through rapid house price inflation - because of housing stock shortages, that the next generation i.e. me and you, are going to pay for? Or are you hoping we continue this mad Ponzi scheme for the next generation?

So the 12 years that Tony Blair & Gordon Brown had in power wasn't long enough for them to even to begin to correct the problem?
Lady Thatcher hasn't been in government for decades! The people who followed her - namely Tony Blair had the mandate from the people to change things (3 times in a row) but chose not to. It wasn't her fault Gordon Brown sold off all our gold when the price hit rock bottom. Thatcher was anti-Europe and anti-Euro which is the main cause of the problems we have today. Blair wanted us to join the Euro!!
Stop blaming other people for all of today's woes and economic problems.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Why do working class people praise the fact that she "curbed the power of the unions" ?

Because anyone around at the time could see that the unions were totally fucking everything up, with no regard to their members welfare, but to advance political ideals that were anathema to ordinary people. Strikes were called amost daily, in Liverpool, where I worked at the time it was a dreary regular occurrence, the irony being that a lot of scousers struck themselves out of jobs, then blamed the government.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Can someone wake Rascal up he's obviously not heard the good news.

Just spoken to him. He's well up to speed and he'll be along in a bit :-)

 

[kaz7]

BBC "Margaret Thatcher dies following a strike"

Thats funny

 

[andyblue87]

...as an American who is unfamiliar with the inner-workings of the British political machine, could someone enlighten me as to why Margaret Thatcher stirs such disdain among so many?...

Most glorifying her death on here probably only heard about her time as PM second hand but when she came to power, inflation was high, we were in hock to the IMF, the unions were all-powerful and forced through wage settlements completely out of line with what their industries could afford and many of those industries were owned by the state and required huge volumes of money pumping in regularly.

She curbed the pwoer of the unions, brought inflation down and got government finances under control, withdrew support from failing uncompetitive industries and reduced the ludicrous levels of taxation we had, where you could be paying 98% tax on some income. She also allowed people to buy the council houses they'd rented for years at knock-down prices.

The downside of all that was that most of our major manufacturing industries went out of business or were sold off to foreign companies, unemployment mushroomed, many communities around those industries were devastated and we shifted from a manufacturing to a service economy.

Much of what she did set the scene for the next 35 years, some of which was right and sme of which was wrong. We may be in a mess now but without her we's have probably been in a much worse mess.

She single-handedly moved politics well to the right, from the point where she was considered far too right wing by the Tory party before she came to power to the point where her natural heir was Tony Blair and New Labour.

Genuinely a superb post!
Its the most rational & balanced opinion that the whole of this thread will get - bar none! Nice one.

Second that. All this burn in hell nonsense, grow up

 

[sixlashes]

Why do working class people praise the fact that she "curbed the power of the unions" ?

Do you feel the unions were doing the right thing in the 70's?

naah,,,they should have sat back and let her shut down the mines and fuck all the communities that depended on that industry,

 

[billfromthehill]

Jelly n ice cream