gordondaviesmoustache
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As much as I agree with your sentiments, that is an oxymoron. Murder, in any jurisdiction, is unlawful killing.Skashion said:
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Thatcher dead
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Rascal
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gordondaviesmoustache said:As Skashion has correctly pointed out the votes of the left were split between the SDP and Labour and it is difficult for me to imagine, in the privacy of the ballot box, sufficient numbers of the British Electorate entrusting Michael Foot with the stewardship of the nation, especially given some of Labour's insane manifesto commitments. It was labelled "the longest suicide note in history" from within its own ranks for good reason.
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Much of Labours 83 manifesto was emminently sensible for the times. It followed Keynesian principles to promote growth like cutting VAT and borrowing. It pointed out that mass unemployment was the tool being used to bring down inflation. It pointed out that North Sea oil was worth 8p in the pound to the UK and that could be used to ensure full employment rather than having Millions idle with all the social consequences that brings. It had a commitent to balance the trade deficit through a withdrawl from the then EEC and a use of trade quotas which ironically that would probably have resulted in a huge Labour majority today. It proposed a national investment bank and a good old socialist 5 year plan to rebuild industry. It proposed equal rights and pay at work for women and extend safeguards for women on maternity leave. It proposed increase in personal tax allowances, increases in child benefit and increases in ivnalidity care and promised to protect pensioners from inflation.It proposed a new council housing building scheme, introduce a Freedom of information Act. It was comitted to devolution and wanted to strengthen local democracy. Labour wanted to limit the power of press barons to give wider ownership of newspapers.
Quite a lot of what was supposedly a loony left manifesto as you can now see has become mainstream thought.
The major downsides of the manifesto i believe was the commitment to scrap our nuclear detterent at a time when the Cold War dominated and the commitment to leave the EEC, which back then was not the bogeyman the right see it as now.
So i would suggest the biggest factor in Thatchers rise was the inability of the Left to have any cohesion or cooperation. The lefts vote held up but was split. It galled me today to read Baroness Williams writing on Thatcher in the Indy. Without Williams and her other traitors Thatcher may have been a one term PM despite the Falklands war.
Mad Eyed Screamer
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Morrissey's latest comments...
I just new he wouldn't resist..... :)
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/former-smiths-frontman-morrissey-hits-2574523" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ts-2574523</a>
Morrissey hits out at the late Baroness Thatcher, calling her 'a terror without an atom of humanity'
The former Smiths frontman – who often took issue with her policies during the 1980s – took to the internet to vent his feelings after Margaret Thatcher died from a stroke yesterday, aged 87
Morrissey has hit out at the late Baroness Thatcher - saying she 'was a terror without an atom of humanity'.
The former Smiths frontman - who would often publicly disagree with Thatcherite policies during the band's 1980s heyday - took to the internet to pen an article slamming the late Prime Minister, who died after suffering a stroke yesterday at the age of 87.
Davyhulme-born Morrissey wrote: "Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out."
The singer, 53, who has recently said he plans to retire from the stage following a series of health problems, also took issue with Thatcher's order to attack the Argentinian naval ship Belgrano during the Falklands War.
A famous campaigner for animal rights and vegetarianism, the singer has made a number of recent on-stage announcements backing the return of the British-controlled Falkland Islands to Argentinian control.
And Morrissey also took issue with Baroness Thatcher's popular nickname 'The Iron Lady'.
He wrote: "Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a prime minister could actually be female."
Adding that 'the majority of British working people have forgotten her already', the article concludes: "[The] people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity."
I just new he wouldn't resist..... :)
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/former-smiths-frontman-morrissey-hits-2574523" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ts-2574523</a>
Morrissey hits out at the late Baroness Thatcher, calling her 'a terror without an atom of humanity'
The former Smiths frontman – who often took issue with her policies during the 1980s – took to the internet to vent his feelings after Margaret Thatcher died from a stroke yesterday, aged 87
Morrissey has hit out at the late Baroness Thatcher - saying she 'was a terror without an atom of humanity'.
The former Smiths frontman - who would often publicly disagree with Thatcherite policies during the band's 1980s heyday - took to the internet to pen an article slamming the late Prime Minister, who died after suffering a stroke yesterday at the age of 87.
Davyhulme-born Morrissey wrote: "Every move she made was charged by negativity; she destroyed the British manufacturing industry, she hated the miners, she hated the arts, she hated the Irish Freedom Fighters and allowed them to die, she hated the English poor and did nothing at all to help them, she hated Greenpeace and environmental protectionists, she was the only European political leader who opposed a ban on the ivory trade, she had no wit and no warmth and even her own cabinet booted her out."
The singer, 53, who has recently said he plans to retire from the stage following a series of health problems, also took issue with Thatcher's order to attack the Argentinian naval ship Belgrano during the Falklands War.
A famous campaigner for animal rights and vegetarianism, the singer has made a number of recent on-stage announcements backing the return of the British-controlled Falkland Islands to Argentinian control.
And Morrissey also took issue with Baroness Thatcher's popular nickname 'The Iron Lady'.
He wrote: "Iron? No. Barbaric? Yes. She hated feminists even though it was largely due to the progression of the women's movement that the British people allowed themselves to accept that a prime minister could actually be female."
Adding that 'the majority of British working people have forgotten her already', the article concludes: "[The] people of Argentina will be celebrating her death. As a matter of recorded fact, Thatcher was a terror without an atom of humanity."
dazdon
Well-Known Member
I don't give a fuck what that whinging wanker says.
Mad Eyed Screamer
Moderator
More from Morrissey from his own outlet, not edited by the media!
Margaret Thatcher
The difficulty with giving a comment on Margaret Thatcher's death to the British tabloids is that, no matter how calmly and measuredly you speak, the comment must be reported as an "outburst" or an "explosive attack" if your view is not pro-establishment. If you reference "the Malvinas", it will be switched to "the Falklands", and your "Thatcher" will be softened to a "Maggie." This is generally how things are structured in a non-democratic society. Thatcher's name must be protected not because of all the wrong that she had done, but because the people around her allowed her to do it, and therefore any criticism of Thatcher throws a dangerously absurd light on the entire machinery of British politics. Thatcher was not a strong or formidable leader. She simply did not give a shit about people, and this coarseness has been neatly transformed into bravery by the British press who are attempting to re-write history in order to protect patriotism. As a result, any opposing view is stifled or ridiculed, whereas we must all endure the obligatory praise for Thatcher from David Cameron without any suggestion from the BBC that his praise just might be an outburst of pro-Thatcher extremism from someone whose praise might possibly protect his own current interests. The fact that Thatcher ignited the British public into street-riots, violent demonstrations and a social disorder previously unseen in British history is completely ignored by David Cameron in 2013. In truth, of course, no British politician has ever been more despised by the British people than Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher's funeral on Wednesday will be heavily policed for fear that the British tax-payer will want to finally express their view of Thatcher. They are certain to be tear-gassed out of sight by the police.
United Kingdom? Syria? China? What's the difference?
Morrissey
9 April 2013
Margaret Thatcher
The difficulty with giving a comment on Margaret Thatcher's death to the British tabloids is that, no matter how calmly and measuredly you speak, the comment must be reported as an "outburst" or an "explosive attack" if your view is not pro-establishment. If you reference "the Malvinas", it will be switched to "the Falklands", and your "Thatcher" will be softened to a "Maggie." This is generally how things are structured in a non-democratic society. Thatcher's name must be protected not because of all the wrong that she had done, but because the people around her allowed her to do it, and therefore any criticism of Thatcher throws a dangerously absurd light on the entire machinery of British politics. Thatcher was not a strong or formidable leader. She simply did not give a shit about people, and this coarseness has been neatly transformed into bravery by the British press who are attempting to re-write history in order to protect patriotism. As a result, any opposing view is stifled or ridiculed, whereas we must all endure the obligatory praise for Thatcher from David Cameron without any suggestion from the BBC that his praise just might be an outburst of pro-Thatcher extremism from someone whose praise might possibly protect his own current interests. The fact that Thatcher ignited the British public into street-riots, violent demonstrations and a social disorder previously unseen in British history is completely ignored by David Cameron in 2013. In truth, of course, no British politician has ever been more despised by the British people than Margaret Thatcher. Thatcher's funeral on Wednesday will be heavily policed for fear that the British tax-payer will want to finally express their view of Thatcher. They are certain to be tear-gassed out of sight by the police.
United Kingdom? Syria? China? What's the difference?
Morrissey
9 April 2013
Mad Eyed Screamer
Moderator
bellbuzzer said:Dave Whelan is demanding a minutes silence at wembley.
a very provocative and utterly stupid demand with nil chance of it happening.
I'm sure the former miners in the towns around Wigan share his sentiment....
117 M34 said:Will there be a celebration when Blair dies?
not by me.
bit of a c*nt but nowhere near as bad as Thatcher