The Agenda

[EricBrooksGhost]

I remember at the Wolves game saying to the bloke sat next to me that the ref was dying to give them a penalty, sure enough, he did.

It was the only thing Attwell got right that day. Itching to give Wolves decisions so much so he flagged a throw for them even though the ball had not gone out; the players kept on playing; the lino did nothing so he dropped his arm when he realised what a twat he was.

 

[Anonymous]

On the Respect Referees thread, hertsblue quotes the Times on the upcoming dippers vs rags game:

Referee Martin Atkinson will definitely miss the game after pulling out because of illness. It is now almost 11 months since he took charge of a rags game after he was fiercely criticised by Sour Alf after a 2-1 defeat by Chelsea

Shit game @ the swamp in purple nose's view and that ref doesn't go back for 11 months? How and why? The FA and PMGO should be made to answer that.

Add to that the jockinese piss can's comments about Lee Mason not doing his career any favours after an alleged bad game with the rags and you can see a pretty extraordinary picture being built up.

I'm of the mind it's not an anti-City thing, I think it's more a protect the established cartel thing.

And it fucking stinks.

 

[salfordblues]

We've not had it that bad this season particularly in the league.

The one "agenda" I do subscribe to is that Balotelli gets booked where others wouldn't.

But other than that, prior to the incident with Vinny, we weren't complaining about the refs very much.

We need to let it go. When I say we I not only mean the fans but most importantly Mancini himself. This attitude of us against the world will not do us any good.

We need to concentrate on the football and the rest will take care of itself.

Why shouldn't we discuss it? Let the team concentrate on football, then we can discuss football on a football message board.

I disagree that we weren't talking about the refs before the Vinny incident. Between the league and cup derbies I can think of the Wolves game (Attwell didn't referee for several weeks after), Liverpool away, Chelsea away, Sunderland away where the referee has made decisions against us that are blatantly and obviously wrong. Believe there was one in the West Brom game (disallowed goal) but I haven't seen that. All of these bar Liverpool at home have affected our title campaign.

On the flip side we could argue that Balotelli and Lescott could have been sent off last week (as could of Parker and Van der Vaart).

I don't know why it's happening (I have a few theories) but if you don't think it's worth discussion on here I don't know what is.

I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss it. I'm giving my view. My view is that it is not an agenda but mere incompetence/misjudgement.

I don't think that Mancini getting into a war of words with the FA and slagging refs off every week will do any good at all. That's why I said we (the club) should just concentrate on the football.

To use an analogy from poker, you always remember the "bad beats" you suffered (i.e.times you were unlucky) but you don't always remember the bad beats you dished out (i.e. times you got lucky and others were unlucky). I think there could be an element of this to the agenda argument.

 

[es1]

I remember at the Wolves game saying to the bloke sat next to me that the ref was dying to give them a penalty, sure enough, he did.

just so happens that that was a blatent penalty and red card that any ref at any level would give, hardly proof

 

[hgblue]

We've not had it that bad this season particularly in the league.

The one "agenda" I do subscribe to is that Balotelli gets booked where others wouldn't.

But other than that, prior to the incident with Vinny, we weren't complaining about the refs very much.

We need to let it go. When I say we I not only mean the fans but most importantly Mancini himself. This attitude of us against the world will not do us any good.

We need to concentrate on the football and the rest will take care of itself.

Why shouldn't we discuss it? Let the team concentrate on football, then we can discuss football on a football message board.

I disagree that we weren't talking about the refs before the Vinny incident. Between the league and cup derbies I can think of the Wolves game (Attwell didn't referee for several weeks after), Liverpool away, Chelsea away, Sunderland away where the referee has made decisions against us that are blatantly and obviously wrong. Believe there was one in the West Brom game (disallowed goal) but I haven't seen that. All of these bar Liverpool at home have affected our title campaign.

On the flip side we could argue that Balotelli and Lescott could have been sent off last week (as could of Parker and Van der Vaart).

I don't know why it's happening (I have a few theories) but if you don't think it's worth discussion on here I don't know what is.

I'm not saying you shouldn't discuss it. I'm giving my view. My view is that it is not an agenda but mere incompetence/misjudgement.

I don't think that Mancini getting into a war of words with the FA and slagging refs off every week will do any good at all. That's why I said we (the club) should just concentrate on the football.

To use an analogy from poker, you always remember the "bad beats" you suffered (i.e.times you were unlucky) but you don't always remember the bad beats you dished out (i.e. times you got lucky and others were unlucky). I think there could be an element of this to the agenda argument.

If it were incompetence then surely we would be having as many decisions going in our favour as we have had going against us? In fact, you could say that because we have the majority of possession and do most of the attacking in our games, then we'd get more than our fair share of dubious decisions if we're talking about incompetence? As for only remembering decisions going against us, I've been racking my brains for a single match changing decision going in our favour and I'm struggling, yet game after game after game we've had match changing decisions going against us. There HAS to be a reason for this.

 

[Tuearts right boot]

Don't know if it's already been mentioned (apologies if so).The ref admitted in the daily express it wasn't a penalty,so it must be true.Why then cannot he reverse his decision or at worse play the game again.There is a lot of money at stake here and thus accountable for the well being of one or another club how can he just casually admit his mistake and walk away.If this happened in any other sort of business,and football is a huge business,he'd be hanged ,drawn and quartered,hung out to dry and probably sued.

 

[Calcio]

Don't know if it's already been mentioned (apologies if so).The ref admitted in the daily express it wasn't a penalty,so it must be true.Why then cannot he reverse his decision or at worse play the game again.There is a lot of money at stake here and thus accountable for the well being of one or another club how can he just casually admit his mistake and walk away.If this happened in any other sort of business,and football is a huge business,he'd be hanged ,drawn and quartered,hung out to dry and probably sued.

WHAT? So you want to replay any game that is decided by wrong decisions? We will end up having 100 games a season

 

[salfordblues]

Don't know if it's already been mentioned (apologies if so).The ref admitted in the daily express it wasn't a penalty,so it must be true.Why then cannot he reverse his decision or at worse play the game again.There is a lot of money at stake here and thus accountable for the well being of one or another club how can he just casually admit his mistake and walk away.If this happened in any other sort of business,and football is a huge business,he'd be hanged ,drawn and quartered,hung out to dry and probably sued.

Ludicrous logic. Not for the first time on this thread.

 

[LoveCity]

Craig Burley complaining on commentary during Watford/Spurs that Lescott wasn't sent off... unbelievable. And saying we were lucky of course...

 

[Ducado]

Craig Burley complaining on commentary during Watford/Spurs that Lescott wasn't sent off... unbelievable. And saying we were lucky of course...

I guess they are like sheep really, they don't want to step out of line with the other sheep who are calling us at the moment it's a bit like mass hysteria, give it few days to die down (till Tuesday at least)