The Album Review Club - Week #127 - (page 1545) - Definitely Maybe - Oasis

I would humbly argue that The Talking Heads stayed up there because Remain In Light is far and away the best record that got selected for many, many weeks. :)

We just got super lucky with pick #1.

Even now, it took effectively a greatest hits record by the same band, and a non-randomly selected LZ classic to nose it out before finally a randomly-selected less-than-classic LZ (IMO! It's still very good!) got picked.

From the Wiki:

Remain in Light was named the best album of 1980 by Sounds, ahead of The Skids' The Absolute Game, and by Melody Maker,[76][77] while The New York Times included it in its unnumbered shortlist of the 10 best records issued that year.[78] It figured highly in other end-of-year best album lists, notably at number two, behind The Clash's London Calling, by Robert Christgau,[79] and at number six by NME.[80] It featured at number three—behind London Calling and Bruce Springsteen's The River—in The Village Voice's 1980 Pazz & Jop critics' poll, which aggregates the votes of hundreds of prominent reviewers.[81]

In 1989, Rolling Stone named Remain in Light as the fourth best album of the decade.[83] In 1993, it was included at number 11 in NME's list of The 50 Greatest Albums Of The '80s,[84] and at number 68 in the publication's Greatest Albums Of All Time list.[85] In 1997, The Guardian collated worldwide data from renowned critics, artists, and radio DJs, which placed the record at number 43 in the list of the 100 Best Albums Ever.[86] In 1999, it was included by Vibe as one of its 100 Essential Albums Of The 20th Century.[87] In 2000 it was voted number 227 in Colin Larkin's All Time Top 1000 Albums.[88] In 2002, Pitchfork featured Remain in Light at number two behind Sonic Youth's Daydream Nation in its Top 100 Albums Of The 1980s list.[82] In 2003, VH1 named the record at number 88 during its 100 Greatest Albums countdown,[89] while Slant Magazine included it in its unnumbered shortlist of 50 Essential Pop Albums.[90] Rolling Stone placed it at number 129 in its December 2015 issue of "The 500 Greatest Albums of All Time", higher than three other Talking Heads releases.[15] In 2006, Q ranked Remain in Light at number 27 in its list of the 40 Best Albums of the 80s.[91] In 2012, Slant listed the album at number six on its list of the "Best Albums of the 1980s".[92]
Lies, damned lies and statistics - I happily disagree with all of them....... :-)
 
I accept that a lot of people love it, and we've done the Talking Heads debate to death on the other thread. I think we'll just have to accept that some people, of which I'm one, just don't connect with it.
You reckon?

I personally could go another round on whether I care to 'look at these hands' (or whatever the lyric is)........ ;-)
 
So you like Talking Heads. So do I Foggy but I don’t get so defensive about them to people who just don’t get them.
You don’t get Radiohead like a lot of people in here, but I and plenty of others do.

This what I mean about the competitiveness of taste when it comes to music.
People like what they like and no amount of analysis will change people’s minds.

You’ve made my mind up. I’m in. I don’t know what I’ll offer yet, but it’ll be Irish and hopefully something you haven’t heard yet.

I’ve decided it is more cowardly to comment on others taste without offering others the chance to reciprocate if I’ve been offered the opportunity.

@RobMCFC I’ll be in touch.
To be fair I don't think he gets defensive, he's passionate about what he likes as I think we generally all are.

I don't remotely see this as a competition, I honestly enjoy exploring music that I wouldn't have looked twice at and seeing how others view it..........
 
Great, welcome aboard. You’re down for 11th January.

Foggy’s one of the best posters on here so I’m not bothered by him defending one of his Favourites, as is his right. I feel a bit angry about some of the artists missing from the impending Top 100 when you look at some of those that will be in it!

It’s good to see a bit of passion about it, as long as it doesn’t overstep the mark, which it hasn’t come close to doing in this thread
Joe Jackson..............
 
I don't remotely see this as a competition, I honestly enjoy exploring music that I wouldn't have looked twice at and seeing how others view it..........
That’s definitely one of the big pluses of these two threads. Plus, as a nominator, I want to see how many people I can win over, but I’m just as interested to find out WHY some people don’t like what I like.
 
Ok, I'll put you out of your misery! I don't think anyone would guess this.

I've thoroughly enjoyed reading, and listening, through these music threads so I thought I'd like to contribute an album for you to listen to. I hope you enjoy listening to it just as much as I've enjoyed listening to all yours. And a big thanks to @BlueHammer85 and @RobMCFC for putting these together, I've found lots of new music to enjoy.

I could've easily picked Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road, Revolver by The Beatles. Or Let It Bleed by the Rolling Stones, Ok Computer by Radiohead, Pocket Symphony by Air or Tubular Bells by Mike Oldfield. Not to mention anything by Joni Mitchell or Steely Dan.

However, the part I've really enjoyed with the albums the most is the ones where it's something I've not heard before. I loved @KnaresboroughBlue 's choice - something I didn't expect. I also enjoyed listening to Spirit of Eden by Talk Talk, Let It Be by The Replacements and Foxtrot by Genesis as well as others. So my choice is something that I don't think many people will have heard, but I love. I have listened to this I'd say once a month for about 20 years now and I've never got bored of it. But first a bit of a backstory of how I came to find and love it.

When I was growing up, the main music I heard was my Dad's and he was really into Yes, Steely Dan, Joni Mitchell etc. I didn't appreciate it as a kid, but as I got older I love it now! However, there was two songs I remember hearing quite vividly in the early 80s which had a profound impact on me: The Model by Kraftwerk and Joan of Arc by OMD. I'd never really heard this...'futuristic sound' before. The sound only a synthesizer can make. It sounded so other-wordly and unusual to me. I must've listened to The Model hundreds of times after I recorded it! It was a song which lead me to start playing the keyboards (badly).

Back in the 80s you could easily learn to play songs like The Model on cheap keyboards. I could never dream of copying any prog rocker! My Mum n Dad got me a Yamaha keyboard and I copied Kraftwerk songs even though it was hopeless - my £50 Yamaha couldn't cut it and in truth I got bored of it a bit. It might sound odd, but even though a lot of music in the 80s was made with synths, it wasn't the synth sound I liked as it sounded too modern - the original, soft, analogue sound. I think there was a certain naivety about the sound I loved.

By the time the late 80s came around I lost all interest in synths especially once the Stone Roses etc came in. I dropped the keyboard and started playing the guitar. However, after a few years I was getting bored of guitars and one day I heard The Model again and basically rediscovered my love of synths. I very nearly chose Trans Europe Express by Kraftwerk as my album (I know The Model isn't on it). I am a big fan of pretty much any music from the 1970s and I started looking at the origins of synth music and discovered ambient music. The starting point was Brian Eno's "Music for Airports" and I found it astonishing that anyone would write music that didn't have to be listened to actively! I had no idea music could be like that! I found the whole idea of it nonsense and yet fascinating - surely there couldn't be any decent music like that?

For those who've not come across it before, ambient music is designed to sit in the background and be unobtrusive. It doesn't grab your attention, it's not meant to. There's no choruses, sometimes no form or structure, it's meant to enhance the atmosphere. It could be music for lifts, meditation, a 'soundscape', noise or whatever. However, when it's done well it's superb. It does take a certain amount of listening to as it's very different to pop, rock or jazz.

I soon started scouring the internet for reviews of 70s ambient music as I knew I would find that soft synth sound I loved. Instead, I found this entire "world" of music that was never played on the radio or TV, never really discussed, never bothered with apart from a few websites dedicated to ambient music. I was finding some music that I found astonishing in it's ambition, particularly given the technological limitations of the times.

I loved ambient from the off and went from Brian Eno's "Music for airports", through to Steve Hillage's "Rainbow Dome Musick", Jean Michel Jarre's "Oxygene" and "Equinoxe" to Tangerine Dream's "Phaedra" and "Rubycon". Phaedra and Rubycon were superb and reminded me of the worlds that Roger Dean drew for Yes album covers which I adored looking at as a kid. I started to remember the "other-worldly" sound from The Model and Kraftwerk with "new ears". I loved it. However, none of these albums were a patch on one I found which absolutely blew me away:

Planetary Unfolding by Michael Stearns:



Planetary Unfolding is an ambient masterpiece.

It was recorded in 1981 by the American artist Michael Stearns. He composed it on a synth and it is based on a dream he had where all of the Universe was made up of sounds. It sounds absolutely pretentious, but it's not - I can't think of any other piece of music which sounds so perfect to describe what space sounds like. It is regarded as a classic of ambient music. It can be played in the background but you'd do it a huge disservice.

There's 6 pieces on the album and it only lasts 45 minutes which is quite short for an ambient album. Some of the songs are on Spotify, but the full album isn't sadly. If you want to listen to it in full, you will have to listen to it on YouTube. The tracks are:

In The Beginning...
Toto, I've A Feeling We're Not In Kansas Anymore
Where Ever Two Or More Are Gathered...
Life In The Gravity Well
As The Earth Kissed The Moon
Something's Moving

I won't go through each track, I just think you have to listen to it for yourself. The opening track begins from a low rumbling to a crescendo at around 5 minutes where it sounds like the entire Universe has been created, it's the only words I've got to describe it.

I expect a lot of people will find this something quite different. It's not an album to make you move, sing or dance to. It's there to provide background atmosphere, meditate or just sit outside watching the stars. It moves slowly, builds up slowly and gives you the time to listen to it. If you persevere with it, you'll find so much in the music. It is simply beautiful. In my mind, rightly or wrongly, I think this could be played by a classical orchestra and I kind of see it as a 'classical piece'.

I can put this album on at work and just get absorbed in the sound and block out any distractions. I can put this on at night with a few beers and just relax. If I've been listening to something like Rage Against The Machine, it calms you down and soothes! If you've had a mad Pantera-half-hour, this is ideal to cleanse the ears! Even though it is a synth album, I find that it has such a natural, organic sound, I really can't describe the sound at all - you just have to listen to it. If someone asked me what a fly-by of the early Universe sounded like it would be In the Beginning! What sound does a star make as it's pulled into a black hole? Life in the gravity well. It's got that epic "size" of sound.

I am astonished it was made 40 years ago, it's not aged at all. I also find it astonishing how anyone could 'hear' this in their head and then start to find the sounds and put it together. To make each piece sound different, yet blend to the next movement so naturally just astounds me. The music doesn't change much, but it changes a lot too.

It is something very different to the rest of my favourite albums, but I love it just as much as any Beatles, Stones, Bjork etc album. It's just different, very different. And that's what I love in my music, different sounds for different moods.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy it as much as I've enjoyed your choices!

Wonderful write up - can't wait..............
 

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