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The Album Review Club - Week #145 - (page 1923) - Tellin' Stories - The Charlatans
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HermanPant
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9/10Do leave a score out of 10.
-1 for the use of incendiary ;-)
RobMCFC
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Ha ha, it's the other way with me.Oooh, lovely. I'm jealous: my wife has banned us ever going there again!
Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's my wife and daughters who insist we go! Hopefully as they are both finishing their masters this year, it won't only be my wage covering next year's trip :)
Bets you it will be only your wage covering next years trip.Been there done that ect.lol.Ha ha, it's the other way with me.
Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's my wife and daughters who insist we go! Hopefully as they are both finishing their masters this year, it won't only be my wage covering next year's trip :)
OB1
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Ha ha, it's the other way with me.
Don't get me wrong, I love it, but it's my wife and daughters who insist we go! Hopefully as they are both finishing their masters this year, it won't only be my wage covering next year's trip :)
My daughters would love to go again and they are 22. They are going on our summer vacation this year and will expect to join us next year...
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Consistently good songs and excellent performance gets an 8/10 from me.
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With it's emphasis on rock I frequent this thread primarily for educational purposes but even I don't need to be steered towards recognising what a great live band TL were, with one of the most distinctive sounds in rock. Notwithstanding the arguments about how live this album actually is, I think it does a good job of putting you 'there' which is it's purpose. Bar a couple of tracks I would have liked to have heard on this, there's not really anything to fault.
Phil Lynott always put me in mind of a pirate (in a good way) albeit a complex and contrary one. I think this album conveys the on-stage swagger that makes up part of my perception of him. Much as he is the archetype of the charismatic front man It would be wrong to focus exclusively on PL as the whole band is fantastic on this.
8/10
Phil Lynott always put me in mind of a pirate (in a good way) albeit a complex and contrary one. I think this album conveys the on-stage swagger that makes up part of my perception of him. Much as he is the archetype of the charismatic front man It would be wrong to focus exclusively on PL as the whole band is fantastic on this.
8/10
FogBlueInSanFran
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There's no question that this sounds great -- incredibly good in fact production-wise, which made me a little suspicious. Then I find the band specifically admits they redid parts of this in the studio. And they recorded a soundcheck and added the audience reaction on Southbound? What the fuck is this? Immediate docking of a point for that horseshit.
As already noted, another point comes off for the fact that this is effectively a greatest hits, or can be, because it’s a live record. I'm sorry to be churlish about this, but for me I can't let this benefit at the expense of other records when I think about how I score them. Sorry @OB1.
Now to the tunes themselves. Jailbreak and Emerald sound especially great; Southbound is ok; Rosalie finally proves that Bob Seger did have a reason for existence (since I hate his music) as this is a dynamite cover; Dancing In The Moonlight HAS to be a Van Morrison cover (I'm not a Van fan either); Massacre moves them right over to metal and attractively so; JUST SAY NO to rock ballads like Still In Love With You; Johnny Meets Jimmy bluesy enough; Cowboy Song seems to have the same chord changes as Boys, the enormous monster that follows it; Don’t Believe A Word more kinetic than a lot of their tunes (dig the Iron Maiden guitar); Warrior a good one; Ready pretty conventional; Suicide I already knew and like; Sha-La-La I did not (riff gibberish); Baby to be recommended to George Thorogood; and finally The Rocker an aptly loud and ear-splitting speed finale. So a varied/mixed bag but more tunes I liked than not, with a few I already like a lot, and only two I really didn't care for.
What struck me listening to this is that I always viewed TL as kind their own niche, but I find outside their hits they're a bit more derivative than I expected, more conventional metal, and the lyrics don’t quite match the clever turns of phrase I hear on their best songs very often. That said, while they didn't invent the twin guitar attack, it certainly packs a huge sonic punch here, mixed as it is (heavy up front). Lynott can be mesmeric as a vocalist front man, but what really stands out to me here is the remarkable drumming of Brian Downey -- wow, what a talent! It looks he hasn’t done a heck of a lot since Lynott died -- pretty much living off posthumous incarnations of TL? -- but I’d love to hear him in some other contexts.
In the end, three or four TL tunes have always been enough for me and listening to this tells me I haven’t missed much. A lot of decent tunes bracingly played but not a lot of invention. Call this a 7/10 but knock the aforementioned two points off for 5/10. Glad to listen to it though.
As already noted, another point comes off for the fact that this is effectively a greatest hits, or can be, because it’s a live record. I'm sorry to be churlish about this, but for me I can't let this benefit at the expense of other records when I think about how I score them. Sorry @OB1.
Now to the tunes themselves. Jailbreak and Emerald sound especially great; Southbound is ok; Rosalie finally proves that Bob Seger did have a reason for existence (since I hate his music) as this is a dynamite cover; Dancing In The Moonlight HAS to be a Van Morrison cover (I'm not a Van fan either); Massacre moves them right over to metal and attractively so; JUST SAY NO to rock ballads like Still In Love With You; Johnny Meets Jimmy bluesy enough; Cowboy Song seems to have the same chord changes as Boys, the enormous monster that follows it; Don’t Believe A Word more kinetic than a lot of their tunes (dig the Iron Maiden guitar); Warrior a good one; Ready pretty conventional; Suicide I already knew and like; Sha-La-La I did not (riff gibberish); Baby to be recommended to George Thorogood; and finally The Rocker an aptly loud and ear-splitting speed finale. So a varied/mixed bag but more tunes I liked than not, with a few I already like a lot, and only two I really didn't care for.
What struck me listening to this is that I always viewed TL as kind their own niche, but I find outside their hits they're a bit more derivative than I expected, more conventional metal, and the lyrics don’t quite match the clever turns of phrase I hear on their best songs very often. That said, while they didn't invent the twin guitar attack, it certainly packs a huge sonic punch here, mixed as it is (heavy up front). Lynott can be mesmeric as a vocalist front man, but what really stands out to me here is the remarkable drumming of Brian Downey -- wow, what a talent! It looks he hasn’t done a heck of a lot since Lynott died -- pretty much living off posthumous incarnations of TL? -- but I’d love to hear him in some other contexts.
In the end, three or four TL tunes have always been enough for me and listening to this tells me I haven’t missed much. A lot of decent tunes bracingly played but not a lot of invention. Call this a 7/10 but knock the aforementioned two points off for 5/10. Glad to listen to it though.
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There is only one live album I regularly listen to and that is Seconds Out, the reason I like it so much being that with Phil Collins on vocals you get a different sound to tracks that are generally known as Gabriel's. Occasionally I'll listen to bits of the Song Remains the Same but otherwise, that's it. Not that I don't like live music. Although I'm generally less inclined nowadays to stand for a couple of hours in a concert hall I do like a concert. I never have the feeling I want to listen to it again though in the comfort of my living room.
I shouldn't go on too much about live albums but one of the things for me is that a bit of concert banter is great in the moment, even though you know they'll be saying the same thing in Colchester next week, but on al album it kind of loses it's appeal. I think there is only two words spoken between songs on Seconds Out and they were "Supper's Ready".
The advantage to listening to this particular album is that I don't really know Thin Lizzy. I can reel off a few of the obvious tracks and I do like those and have played them from time to time when in the mood but I've never felt the urge to explore them further. So it's a good opportunity to explore them further with a greatest hits, erm I mean a live album.
Without any sort of connection to them though it never really fully engaged me. Lynott has a great voice (is it wrong to have Parisienne Walkways as my favourite "Lizzy" song) but and there are some good tracks beyond those that I already know. As a bonus I had it on in the car and my youngest son, the country music loving one, was well into the Cowboy Song. But there are also some tracks that just seem like standard rock/ metal to me. The extended bits where he introduces the band are great "live" but again, how often do I want to be introduced to them. And don't get me started on the drum solo. No, I never listen to the one on Song Remains the Same and I've never heard one that I like, they seem pointless. You don't get the bass player hogging the limelight for a few minutes at a time...
All brings me in a round about way to say that I don't share the enthusiasm for this band or this live album that others do. I've no real gripe with them touching it up in the studio after or whatever it is they did, I'm sure most live albums are the same. And it would be churlish to say that Lynott is anything other than a great frontman. I'm instinctively leaning towards a 5 but despite my reservations that doesn't seem right so I'll go 6. Which puts it in the broad category of, well it's OK but not really for me.
I shouldn't go on too much about live albums but one of the things for me is that a bit of concert banter is great in the moment, even though you know they'll be saying the same thing in Colchester next week, but on al album it kind of loses it's appeal. I think there is only two words spoken between songs on Seconds Out and they were "Supper's Ready".
The advantage to listening to this particular album is that I don't really know Thin Lizzy. I can reel off a few of the obvious tracks and I do like those and have played them from time to time when in the mood but I've never felt the urge to explore them further. So it's a good opportunity to explore them further with a greatest hits, erm I mean a live album.
Without any sort of connection to them though it never really fully engaged me. Lynott has a great voice (is it wrong to have Parisienne Walkways as my favourite "Lizzy" song) but and there are some good tracks beyond those that I already know. As a bonus I had it on in the car and my youngest son, the country music loving one, was well into the Cowboy Song. But there are also some tracks that just seem like standard rock/ metal to me. The extended bits where he introduces the band are great "live" but again, how often do I want to be introduced to them. And don't get me started on the drum solo. No, I never listen to the one on Song Remains the Same and I've never heard one that I like, they seem pointless. You don't get the bass player hogging the limelight for a few minutes at a time...
All brings me in a round about way to say that I don't share the enthusiasm for this band or this live album that others do. I've no real gripe with them touching it up in the studio after or whatever it is they did, I'm sure most live albums are the same. And it would be churlish to say that Lynott is anything other than a great frontman. I'm instinctively leaning towards a 5 but despite my reservations that doesn't seem right so I'll go 6. Which puts it in the broad category of, well it's OK but not really for me.