The Anti Supporters Club

[jrb]

Here’s what will happen. The people running the OSC will ignore these genuine complaints and concerns, and they will carry on running the OSC as they are doing, and as they see fit. At the top of the OSC nobody is going to rock the boat, question anything, and demand change. They all know each other, and are pals.

 

[Coatigan]

TBF mate, we don’t know who made that decision. No OSC names are attached to the OSC statement. And no OSC positions within the OSC are attached to the statement. For all we know it could have come from Kevin Parker alone? I’m not saying it did. We’ve got enough secrecy and NDA’s from the club. We don’t need more of that from the people running the OSC. As an OSC member I would like to know who is disappointed with that statement to Pep. Because I certainly wasn’t. And I doubt many OSC members are.

Maybe, but that is literally what people say about the 1894 when they publish something, that it is an act of a select few and not the wider base they represent. I am not saying that is necessarily true btw, but the overlap is the same. Two sides of the same coin, and the same people arguing one thing quick to argue the exact same in the opposite direction.

 

[BTH]

I'm puzzled as to what the purpose of the OSC is these days. I think it has lost its way and offers little to home-based fans other than the occasional away ticket. There seems to be a lot of focus on opening new branches in far-flung places.

Personally I think we should have an international supporters club and a UK & Ireland supporters club.

 

[jrb]

True mate. I would like to know who these Trade Union Blues are and do they go to games.

Google them.

Trade Union Blues is a group of trade unionists who are also City fans. We promote trade unionism and working-class interests among City fans and employees.

We are supported by Manchester Trades Council and local union branches.


It’s safe to say Derek Degsey Hatton isn’t involved. ;-)

 

[mancityvstoke]

Tim - we’ve never met (to my knowledge!) but on here you always cone across as a very genuine and passionate blue and someone who’s reasonably intelligent.

So surely you of all people should be able to understand that nobody “hates” the OSC. People are just skeptical of their motives and disappointed that they have decided to publicly call out a grassroots fan group who are trying to lobby on behalf of ordinary fans.

Your post just makes people like me who’ve never felt the murky parish council vibe of OSCs welcoming, feel even further detached from joining one.

Tim is a top blue and we have met many times. Bluemoon get togethers , funerals etc

He is about 8ft tall and the nicest fella you could meet.

 

[Coatigan]

Indeed...and so we will carry on protesting.

Just for clarity, my comments on the letter in no way should be confused with my stance on the protests or the drive behind both. It is just an opinion on the letter.

I have also said what I had to say and the repetition is only because I am polite enougn to reply to others that have said something worth replying to. But I was done with my point some time ago.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Not everyone is slamming the supporters clubs. Me for example. JRB too.

There are issues with how it's being run. The club are not treating supporters well.

The "I'm alright jacks" (includes me actually) are doing ok but what about your kids?

What about the future support? I join in these protests for them not me.

Me too mate

 

[PDBLUEMOON]

Been a long time coming this! Need a few fresh faces at the top representing us fans. It’s old and stale now the OSC. New ideas and representation needed urgently. Re-model the OSC and bring 1894 and others on board, with a new chair.

 

[CoventryBlue]

Of course he doesn’t want locals filling affordable tickets, he has Bulgarians to please

And in return they please him

 

[jrb]

Maybe, but that is literally what people say about the 1894 when they publish something, that it is an act of a select few and not the wider base they represent. I am not saying that is necessarily true btw, but the overlap is the same. Two sides of the same coin, and the same people arguing one thing quick to argue the exact same in the opposite direction.

1894 are a lot more open about how they operate, and how their membership have voted. Which I have posted on BM. It’s there for all to see.

The lads running 1894 regularly come on Bam and explain their plans, and motives. The 1894 X/Twitter page has numerous updates on what is planned and why.

Nobody is forced to join in any of the protests. The information about the protests is there, if people decide to join in the protests on that information, that is up to them.

1894 work on behalf of the whole City fan base, not just the 1894 members. The people running the OSC work on behalf of the OSC members. (sorting out Fkexi-Gold season tickets for OSC members)

Not once since I’ve been an OSC member, and I’m talking years, have I ever been consulted about a decision taken by the people running the OSC.

I was not consulted when the people running the OSC decided not to back the first protest. Neither were the OSC fan base.

 

[PDBLUEMOON]

Here’s what will happen. The people running the OSC will ignore these genuine complaints and concerns, and they will carry on running the OSC as they are doing, and as they see fit. At the top of the OSC nobody is going to rock the boat, question anything, and demand change. They all know each other, and are pals.

100% fact!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I could put something similar about the way some of the Eccles OSC help the homeless especially two of them who spend Friday nights trawling round Manchester doing what they can. The generosity of our fans was never in doubt that is why we support the Food Bank lads.
The discussion though is about the argument between the different factions within the club. The OSC Representative rather than the whole of the OSC surely? :-)

It’s hard to say. Kevin Parker is one of our greatest Blues and works 7 days a week to help fellow fans. Kevin and Alan Galley are in charge of the OSC.

I don’t really have a view over whether the letter is any good or not. Pep has already come out and supported the fans.

I will be joining the 6 minute protest because of excessive match day ticket pricing that affect fellow Blues.

I’ve got a feeling that we will hear about progress in reducing the flexi-gold set up fees in the next week or two.

 

[mancityvstoke]

1894 are a lot more open about how they operate, and how their membership have voted. Which I have posted on BM. It’s there for all to see.

The lads running 1894 regularly come on Bam and explain their plans, and motives. The 1894 X/Twitter page has numerous updates on what is planned and why.

Nobody is forced to join in any of the protests. The information about the protests is there, if people decide to join in the protests on that information, that is up to them.

1894 work on behalf of the whole City fan base, not just the 1894 members. The people running the OSC work on behalf of the OSC members. (sorting out Fkexi-Gold season tickets for OSC members)

Not once since I’ve been an OSC member, and I’m talking years, have I ever been consulted about a decision taken by the people running the OSC.

I was not consulted when the people running the OSC decided not to back the first protest. Neither were the OSC fan base.

1894 have been doing good work for years. The displays in the ground etc (i've helped a few times) Dante etc are top blues.

 

[jrb]

Just to clarify.

I'm a OSC member, and a 1894 member.

I don't favour one group above the other.

What's important to me is how a group is run.

And the transparency and honesty of the people running that group with its membership.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Google them.

Trade Union Blues is a group of trade unionists who are also City fans. We promote trade unionism and working-class interests among City fans and employees.

We are supported by Manchester Trades Council and local union branches.


It’s safe to say Derek Degsey Hatton isn’t involved. ;-)

I would have more confidence if they appointed Sheila as their General Secretary.

 

[mancityvstoke]

Just to clarify.

I'm a OSC member, and a 1894 member.

I don't favour one group above the other.

What's important to me is how a group is run.

And the transparency and honesty of that group with it's membership.

exactly .......as fans we need to be together as one. Everything out in the open.


The club need to know the feelings of fans that have supported this club since the fucking 60's or earlier.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Just to clarify.

I'm a OSC member, and a 1894 member.

I don't favour one group above the other.

What's important to me is how a group is run.

And the transparency and honesty of the people running that group with its membership.

I am in the same boat mate. In fact I will give you a scoop and admit I don’t even like everyone in my own Branch.

I think the people nervous about the protests mainly think the timing is wrong with us chasing CL qualification, City Matters negotiations at a sensitive stage and us fighting the Prem in the Courts. I am easy about the protests and the letter.

 

[jrb]

1894 have been doing good work for years. The displays in the ground etc (i've helped a few times) Dante etc are top blues.

I can't speak for the other 1894 lads. They are a lot more involved in 1894 than I am. They put a lot of time and effort into the group in their own time. A lot goes on behind the scenes that people don't know about, including me.

1894 has and will always be independent of the club. The club know and accept that.

1894 have and will always work with the club on displays and improving the atmosphere inside the Etihad, and at Wembley.

 

[Coatigan]

1894 are a lot more open about how they operate, and how their membership have voted. Which I have posted on BM. It’s there for all to see.

The lads running 1894 regularly come on Bam and explain their plans, and motives. The 1894 X/Twitter page has numerous updates on what is planned and why.

Nobody is forced to join in any of the protests. The information about the protests is there, if people decide to join in the protests on that information, that is up to them.

1894 work on behalf of the whole City fan base, not just the 1894 members. The people running the OSC work on behalf of the OSC members. (sorting out Fkexi-Gold season tickets for OSC members)

Not once since I’ve been an OSC member, and I’m talking years, have I ever been consulted about a decision taken by the people running the OSC.

I was not consulted when the people running the OSC decided not to back the first protest. Neither were the OSC fan base.

Sure, but that wasn't really what I was implying. But never mind.

At the end of the day, if I am half sensible and even remotely balanced, and I happen to have read that letter as arsey.. And by the looks of it at least some 25% of just the posters on this thread seem to have read it as arsey too.. and whatever layer of the osc have read it as arsey.. Then there is chance there will be more that will see it that way as well. Including, maybe, Pep. Or the Club. Which would then be both a shame, and counterproductive.

Disagree by all means, but it is there, and rather than jumping at my throat (not you specifically), maybe people should just for one second stop and look at it from another angle.

 

[jrb]

I am in the same boat mate. In fact I will give you a scoop and admit I don’t even like everyone in my own Branch.

I think the people nervous about the protests mainly think the timing is wrong with us chasing CL qualification, City Matters negotiations at a sensitive stage and us fighting the Prem in the Courts. I am easy about the protests and the letter.

TBF Tim, after the 9 minute protest, everyone made their way to their seats and supported Pep and the team. The same thing will happen against Wolves. The fans will make their point again for 6 minutes. After that the fans will support Pep and the team during the rest of the match. :-)