The Barca Boys

halfcenturyup said:
You see, this is where I differ from the sages and luminaries on here.

Of course, Mansour and Khaldoon are ultimately responsible for the actions of their management team. They are the people who appointed the cunts in the first place and have the power to remove them.

But you can't expect them to be aware of the effects of the executives' actions over and above what they are presented with in board and face-to-face meetings.

This is where I have my one criticism of them and that is that there seems to be no mechanism for monitoring the executives' actions in a football sense. Sure, they may be meeting the high-level targets set by the Board, but how are they doing it and what effect is it having on other high-level targets set by the Board such as, for example, fan engagement.

If I may be so bold, I would suggest some high level football experience on the Board (I just pray to God it isn't Soriano when he retires) and an annual meeting between Khaldoon and fan representatives. That would be a start.

Is it time for a change in the executive? Have they taken their eye off the City ball, become complacent? Possibly, but let's face it, Mansour isn't sacking Soriano and he isn't sacking Guardiola after all they have achieved. And nor should he. They take decisions for the long-term, not the short-term.

I set out what I think will happen in the next two years. Imho, we just have to suck it all up in the meantime.
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Yup. My solution is to have a football board with MCFC representation in terms of execs, football staff eg the chief coach and the DoF, and supporters.
This board would be the counter balance to the business orientated main board.
 
KS55 said:
My point is that City is being neglected as an entity and becoming a mere profit centre for CFG. This will lead to an alienation between City fans and the policy dictated by CFG. In short, CFG will be happy for City to finish top 4 every year and rarely win the title. Wenger’s Arsenal is the model. It is possible to make more profit this way by avoiding the costs associated with recruiting the world class players you need to win the title.
There is plenty of evidence for this:

1. Accused by the PL with 130 charges, we are defended by a team that reports to CFG not MCFC. Ultimately, what happens when the interests of MCFC and CFG diverge? No lawyer can serve two masters.
2. Our senior team appear to be doubling up as execs of CFG and MCFC.
I don’t think Soriano, for example, can properly oversee both City and The NY £1billion project.
He zips in to City and lays down first a ticket pricing policy that cuts out many trad fans. He has to back track but replaces the policy with a set of rules which amount to war on trad fans. Have two bouts of sickness and lose your ST, eg. All this is in aid of getting more income from tourists mostly via so-called ticketing partners, who filled City’s end with Real supporters, last year.
3. The apparent abandonment of the “Blue Wall” in the new North Stand.
4. The complete lack of football expertise and City participation on our board. No local football board.
There are other signs too, but you get my drift.
There are worries for the future and the greatest is: What will happen when the financials align and we exercise our option to acquire the freehold of the stadium? CFG are likely to become the freeholder. Will City be paying rent to CFG?

I have no inside knowledge, I am just drawing conclusions from what I observe. It is my fear rather than a forecast. I hope I am wrong. Come back at me if you want.
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Fair enough. I can't help you with your fears - they are your problem :)

All I can say is that I don't share them.

But I do have other fears :P
 
halfcenturyup said:
You see, this is where I differ from the sages and luminaries on here.

Of course, Mansour and Khaldoon are ultimately responsible for the actions of their management team. They are the people who appointed the cunts in the first place and have the power to remove them.

But you can't expect them to be aware of the effects of the executives' actions over and above what they are presented with in board and face-to-face meetings.

This is where I have my one criticism of them and that is that there seems to be no mechanism for monitoring the executives' actions in a football sense. Sure, they may be meeting the high-level targets set by the Board, but how are they doing it and what effect is it having on other high-level targets set by the Board such as, for example, fan engagement.

If I may be so bold, I would suggest some high level football experience on the Board (I just pray to God it isn't Soriano when he retires) and an annual meeting between Khaldoon and fan representatives. That would be a start.

Is it time for a change in the executive? Have they taken their eye off the City ball, become complacent? Possibly, but let's face it, Mansour isn't sacking Soriano and he isn't sacking Guardiola after all they have achieved. And nor should he. They take decisions for the long-term, not the short-term.

I set out what I think will happen in the next two years. Imho, we just have to suck it all up in the meantime.
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It’s the easiest thing in the world to measure an executive team against pre determined outcomes. As City is now run as a business all Khaldoon needs to do is develop a set of KPI’s and use a balanced score card approach to cover every aspect of performance; football, finance, fan engagement, contribution to the local community etc etc. something as simple as taking 6 months to have city matters minutes published is measurable and failure to hit targets should have consequences for the Exec who is accountable. Even better is that these targets are published as well as achievements against them. In a well run company executive targets trickle down to every employee so the whole organisation knows what it has to do and how it has to do it.
 
:) KPIs which require City Matters minutes to be issued within, say, a month?

I think the Board have bigger issues to deal with.

But I will say this. I haven't blamed the Board at all for what happened at the end of last season with the fan protests. But they should be on notice now that all is not well between Soriano and the fans and they should be watching his performance in this area closely. I said at the end of last season that if he continues to take the piss then I may have to re-assess whether the fan engagement practices are solely Soriano-made or dictated by the Board / owner.

To be determined.
 
halfcenturyup said:
:) KPIs which require City Matters minutes to be issued within, say, a month?

I think the Board have bigger issues to deal with.

But I will say this. I haven't blamed the Board at all for what happened at the end of last season with the fan protests. But they should be on notice now that all is not well between Soriano and the fans and they should be watching his performance in this area closely. I said at the end of last season that if he continues to take the piss then I may have to re-assess whether the fan engagement practices are solely Soriano-made or dictated by the Board / owner.

To be determined.
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The biggest issue the board should deal with is looking after their customers, however they seem to believe by the looks of it that they don't need to.
 
Bluesince1979 said:
Time to call time on this clique.

It started out as a match made in heaven.

The worlds best coach
A DoF widely recognised as footballs shrewdest operator who had the phone number of every one worth having.
And a top dog who gelled it all together.

Now we have a coach who football past by and overtook 2 years ago and he is struggling to see his plan A never mind any sort of plan B.
A DoF who failed in too many transfer windows before swanning off into retirement
Ans a top dog who is more worried about Harold transferring his ticket as hes not feeling great than keeping us at the topZ

Add in to that mix khaldoon, who is supposedly a world elite political operator who is seemingly letting the ship drift

CHANGES NEEDED FROM TOP TO BOTTOM.
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It’s hard to disagree with your opinion, however, endings are as important as beginnings ……..provided you have won all the trophies in between

In my opinion the club have fucked this ‘legend story arc’ somewhat in how they dealt with the exit of Mancini…who for me, and likely many other blues, is a club legend because he brought us our first silverware for many years and was very much the epitome of the plucky underdog …at at club largely seen as the plucky underdog (until we weren’t).

(Incidentally I was at the Euro final, Italy vs England, and I was so pleased for him)

I don’t want pep to be treated the same and I would rather the club managed the exit..if there has to be one, better than in the past, and in a way that preserves his legendary status.

It’s highly likely that whoever we get after pep will need a couple of seasons to buy the right players and implement the right playing style ….which means a few trophyless years, most likely. So it will be important to look back on the pep era as not only one of the most successful in modern British football, but also as a period that cemented his legendary status at City, the most important of his managerial jobs….

Endings are important and need to be done respectfully and in the right way..but also at the right time.
 
mexico1970 said:
The biggest issue the board should deal with is looking after their customers, however they seem to believe by the looks of it that they don't need to.
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You said "customers" :)

As I said above, we will see this year if the Board's idea of customer agrees with yours and mine. It's not been a great start, tbh. A little prompting with further fan protests wouldn't go amiss.
 
halfcenturyup said:
You said "customers" :)

As I said above, we will see this year if the Board's idea of customer agrees with yours and mine. It's not been a great start, tbh. A little prompting with further fan protests wouldn't go amiss.
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I did say customers mate because if that's what they see us as (And they do) they should have more respect for us.

Imagine a business where customer satisfaction is relegated to "I haven't got time for that", it's pretty poor really.
 
mexico1970 said:
I did say customers mate because if that's what they see us as (And they do) they should have more respect for us.

Imagine a business where customer satisfaction is relegated to "I haven't got time for that", it's pretty poor really.
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You are talking Board or executive here?

If it's the executive, then I agree with you.

If the Board, where do you expect them to get information on fan satisfaction from?
 
halfcenturyup said:
You are talking Board or executive here?

If it's the executive, then I agree with you.

If the Board, where do you expect them to get information on fan satisfaction from?
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I don't expect anything other than the basic business model of making sure that they listen to their customers. It's not on customers to figure it out for them it's their job to know about it and get it done.

What I found incredible is that they had to have is spelled out to them that their ticket prices were ridiculous, we were made out to be tight bastards for not just coughing up.

Someone employed these cunts who don't care and the buck stops with them.
 
mexico1970 said:
I don't expect anything other than the basic business model of making sure that they listen to their customers. It's not on customers to figure it out for them it's their job to know about it and get it done.

What I found incredible is that they had to have is spelled out to them that their ticket prices were ridiculous, we were made out to be tight bastards for not just coughing up.

Someone employed these cunts who don't care and the buck stops with them.
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Fair enough :)
 
Mike N said:
Just so I’m clear, are we talking about the Barca Boys who brought us, amongst other things, the Four in a Row and The Treble?

I think our management deserve a bit more support for, possibly, a couple of lesser seasons.

The ‘Clique’ literally made history at our club. If they never win another trophy they have done us so proud.

Let’s hope Pep doesn’t wander on to the pitch soon or he might get the ‘Paul Power Treatment’ from the many fickle fans we have always had.
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And the domestic treble and 100 points.
 
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