The battle for 4th place

[simon23]

arse 1-0 up already vs westbrom

really is not just between us utd and west ham if arsenal win - Shocking that we are in this position and MP shoulders a lot of the blame for that - inept decisions too many times this season.

 

[LHarper]

If Arsenal lose tonight. United are guaranteed a top 4 finish if they win their last 4 games, something i think they'll do despite them having to play Leicester and West Ham. That shows you how poor both us and Arsenal have been this season.

Everyone talks of the poor job Mourinho, LVG, Wenger, Martinez have done this season but Pellegrini has been the most underwhelming manager this season imo when you look at the squad he's had at his disposal. Injuries haven't helped but they are not an excuse.

How did you work this out (it's wrong)?

 

[almir]

How did you work this out (it's wrong)?

He's not wrong, we play Arsenal and whatever result there Rags would be 4th if they win all and Arsenal lose tonight (with all other Arsenal and our games as wins for both of us). Draw or our win - Arsenal drops, Arsenal win, we drop.

 

[LHarper]

He's not wrong, we play Arsenal and whatever result there Rags would be 4th if they win all and Arsenal lose tonight (with all other Arsenal and our games as wins for both of us). Draw or our win - Arsenal drops, Arsenal win, we drop.

Sorry, of course, apologies to ninjamonkey. Although I can't see United winning all 4 matches anyhow.

I still think the top 4 will finish as it is now (but with us hopefully above Arsenal).

 

[ninjamonkey]

How did you work this out (it's wrong)?

If Arsenal lose tonight all will have 4 games left with United being a point behind Arsenal and 2 behind us. We've got to play Arsenal meaning at least one team is guaranteed to drop 2 points so if they win all their games they'd go ahead of one of us. Unlikely to happen anyway now as Arsenal are already winning in their game in hand.

Edit, too slow, just seen it's been answered. No worries.

But injuries are an excuse and a fairly good one as well. Agree that our league performance was poor anyway and pinpoint the weaknesses of Peller but his supporters will point to good cup form C1 and CL, FA Cup not bad either until the debacle at Chelsea and say he has done well. We need to wait a few weeks to judge him fully.

Every team gets injuries they're not exclusive to us. United have had just as many as us, Arsenal have had plenty, the only team that haven't suffered are Leicester. The Champs league progression has prevented the media and probably some fans too from jumping on this. If/when we go out they'll be all over it and rightly so. Look at the stick LVG gets in the media (again rightly so given the money he has spent) but he's done a better job with the players at his disposal than Pellegrini has.

 

[Tricky_Trev]

arse 1-0 up already vs westbrom

really is not just between us utd and west ham if arsenal win - Shocking that we are in this position and MP shoulders a lot of the blame for that - inept decisions too many times this season.

Liverpool too. They have a game in hand to go above West Ham, just 4 points behind us.

 

[kismet]

arse 1-0 up already vs westbrom

really is not just between us utd and west ham if arsenal win - Shocking that we are in this position and MP shoulders a lot of the blame for that - inept decisions too many times this season.

Correct. However don't rule out Liverpool, have you seen their run in.....not difficult .

Just seen Tricky Trev already mentioned this.

 

[Millwallawayveteran1988]

Correct. However don't rule out Liverpool, have you seen their run in.....not difficult .

Just seen Tricky Trev already mentioned this.

Liverpool are on a run of 6 wins in 8. They are the form team currently. If we dont win the next two, that Arsenal game is going to be tense

 

[kismet]

Liverpool are on a run of 6 wins in 8. They are the form team currently. If we dont win the next two, that Arsenal game is going to be tense

Spot on MillwallAV, if Liverpool continue on their run they could end up with 69 points, beat Stoke and Swansea and get a point from Saints and the Arsenal and we will have 69 and should do them on gd.

However we are then relying on United dropping points v Leicester or WHU !!

Got to win the next 2 as you say.

 

[Chippy_boy]

The way we are playing, I can't see how we will get 4th.

We haven't beaten anyone in the top 8 FFS. I think we might finish 7th.

Dear god.

Above is the post I opened this thread with, weeks back.

Let's hope to god I was way off the mark!