The battle for 4th place

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Actually it means quite a lot.
Bookmakers do this type of thing for a living. The research they put in should not be under estimated.
They are correct far more often than they are wrong. That's why they make a very lot of money.
What they are saying is that in terms of statistical probability we have a far superior chance of finishing in the top 4
than the rags or the irons.
On this occasion let's hope they are once again correct.

Bookmakers base their odds on what they believe others, the majority of punters, are thinking, that's how they make their money
 
Just lay City at Betfair if that's what you really want to do.
I was just replying to someone who said he didn't really understand betting so I was just trying to help him to see things clearly. I could have advised him to lay City instead then the arithmetical outcome would have been roughly the same but to someone who doesn't really understand betting, suggesting laying a bet could have seemed like speaking in a foreign tongue.
 
I was just replying to someone who said he didn't really understand betting so I was just trying to help him to see things clearly. I could have advised him to lay City instead then the arithmetical outcome would have been roughly the same but to someone who doesn't really understand betting, suggesting laying a bet could have seemed like speaking in a foreign tongue.

True i guess-fair point.
 
Not always. Sometimes they 'know' the outcome and base their odds on what the majority of punters are thinking. Also a good earner.
Most bookies struggle to make money and simply follow betfair in their pricing-the days of a bookie actually making their own book have long gone.
 
Most bookies struggle to make money and simply follow betfair in their pricing-the days of a bookie actually making their own book have long gone.
Trust me, the days of no loss accounts have not gone. There's good money based on knowing what will and more often what won't win. Following the wisdom of crowds is still a good guide though.
 
Trust me, the days of no loss accounts have not gone. There's good money based on knowing what will and more often what won't win. Following the wisdom of crowds is still a good guide though.
Be nice if I could get a penny online with any of the major UK firms-but that's a different story
 
I can get as much as I like on mate. They seem very accommodating. Haven't had a winner since aintree but that's also another story. ;)
Ha yeah now Cheltenham was great which is why books have tightened up since-I can only get money down in shops these days..
 
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