The battle for 4th place

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Right can someone clear this up,if we don't make it past Madrid or even get beat in the final,but finish 4th in the league and Liverpool win Europa do we still qualify for champions league (all be it a qualifier to reach the group stages)..
 
Spain only got 5 spots last season because Sevilla won Europa and they weren't; top 4
Exactly so why would both Spain and England get five places? One group would have five teams in it (you can bet it would be city) and they'd have an extra two games before Christmas.

Stinks to high heaven.
 
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