The battle for 4th place

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Newcastle are shite. Even Shearer has given up on them this season.

Every dog can have it's day shining like Newcastle did yesterday. We are in great form.


Totally agree....however this is Manchester City. I watched the Newcastle game yesterday before ours and they played ok...despite this you cannot see a way they can beat City, no chance whatsoever. Their defence is appalling they have the third choice keeper in (think the other two committed suicide) and they dont have a goal scoring striker. Debruyne and Sergio should have a field day............So there we go, you know whats coming dont you 2-0 to Newcastle.
 
Your opinion is factually incorrect

1) I cant argue with as that is pure opinion but I would say having extra games at a time when players will be at different stages of pre-season due to the Euro's is not ideal and you dont know who we might draw but there are many examples of teams being caught cold and being knocked out

2) This is factually incorrect. The difference in orize money is very significant between 3rd and 4th. As in the CL the pool of money is split by % and dependent where you finish you get a bigger share of the European pool so if we are are 3rd we get 20% of the pool and if we are 4th we get 10% that could be a difference of £10million pound

You seem to think that results will all go to the same pattern ie all those below us lose all above us win I think City need to be concentrating on doing all they can to win their remaining games we are only 5 points from second but 4 from fifth if this season has taught us something surely it is that no one can predict results

A ll I would say is that simply in terms of financial needs becoming 3rd or even 2nd would be a huge financial boost
"Your opinion", yes, an opinion - my point exactly thanks.

1) Like you said this is just opinion, having an extra 2 matches after the beginning of the season seems a minor thing to me. You win the PL/FA Cup & you have the community shield, which is way before the qualifying matches for CL (in fact before the season starts) and usually a much "tougher" match on paper. I don't see either event as preseason ruining - I trust the owners will have planned for these scenarios way in advance & made the appropriate plans.

2) In 2014/15 this was £2.9m from what I can see? I'm not sure how much higher this will be (I'd guess closer to £4-5M - where have you gotten £10m from?), but even £10m* still seems fairly minor to me when you see how much clubs earn. Again that is an opinion, you may think that us earning an extra £4-5m* is make or break for the season, but I'd be surprised if it had a huge impact (or that it would be something that motivates players to come 3rd not 4th).

I actually said your statement about results in my comment, if the results go a certain way (i.e. West Ham win some of their games in hand) then by the time we play Stoke/Sot'on they could be playing for nothing.

As for huge financial boost, unless I've missed a big source of income (feel free to point it out, my knowledge on this is fairly crap), like I said a few extra million doesn't seem like it'll make or break the bank for City/Arsenal - especially when you look at other sources of income, some teams earn £70M+ a year on kit sponsors alone.
 
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"Your opinion", yes, an opinion - my point exactly thanks.

1) Like you said this is just opinion, having an extra 2 matches after the beginning of the season seems a minor thing to me. You win the PL/FA Cup & you have the community shield, which is way before the qualifying matches for CL (in fact before the season starts) and usually a much "tougher" match on paper. I don't see either event as preseason ruining - I trust the owners will have planned for these scenarios way in advance & made the appropriate plans.

2) In 2014/15 this was £2.9m from what I can see? I'm not sure how much higher this will be (I'd guess closer to £4-5M - where have you gotten £10m from?), but even £10m* still seems fairly minor to me when you see how much clubs earn. Again that is an opinion, you may think that us earning an extra £4-5m* is make or break for the season, but I'd be surprised if it had a huge impact (or that it would be something that motivates players to come 3rd not 4th).

I actually said your statement about results in my comment, if the results go a certain way (i.e. West Ham win some of their games in hand) then by the time we play Stoke/Sot'on they could be playing for nothing.

As for huge financial boost, unless I've missed a big source of income (feel free to point it out, my knowledge on this is fairly crap), like I said a few extra million doesn't seem like it'll make or break the bank for City/Arsenal - especially when you look at other sources of income, some teams earn £70M+ a year on kit sponsors alone.

My point was that at that stage of the season we will have players at all different stages within their training programs as many will have been at various competitions involving their countries and therefore to have games at that stage of the season might lead to freak results for instance in the qualifying round if City met a team who had a settled squad that had a setteled pre-season then it might be a disadvantage

2 The point is the CL winnings are partly based on a pool of money for each Country that means the team who wins the league gets 40% the 2nd place team gets 30% the 3rd placed team gets 20% and 4th place team gets 10% that means that if we finished in 4th place we would only get a tenth of the pool rather than a fifth. Last year that would have meant a differnce about 7.5m together with the difference in the prize money for finishing in 3rd rather than 4th meant I think it would be worth 10m

You may think 10m is not much I bet City's board would not agree
 
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My point was that at that stage of the season we will have players at all different stages within their training programs as many will have been at various competitions involving their countries and therefore to have games at that stage of the season might lead to freak results for instance in the qualifying round if City met a team who had a settled squad that had a setteled pre-season then it might be a disadvantage

2 The point is the CL winnings are partly based on a pool of money for each Country that means the team who wins the league gets 40% the 2nd place team gets 30% the 3rd placed team gets 20% and 4th place team gets 10% that means that if we finished in 4th place we would only get a tenth of the pool rather than a fifth. Last year that would have meant a differnce about 7.5m together with the difference in the prize money for finishing in 3rd rather than 4th meant I think it would be worth 10m

You may think 10m is not much I bet City's board would not agree
If we're having freak results due to lack of preparation "at that stage of the season" then we'll be in trouble, as we'll have played around 10% of the PL season. We should be prepared by then with or without the qualifying matches - I feel that's something we'd both expect to have happened.

Maybe we're looking at different stats then, as the information I'm reading states last season the PL got a market pool of €73.2M of which 50% (€36.6M) is divided based upon positions in which you finish. Like you said it's 40%, 30%, 20% & 10%. Or €14.6M, €11M, €7.3M & €3.65M - hence a difference of €3.65M between 3rd & 4th. This is converted into £2.9M - the figure I stated. If you then add PL prize money (1.2M) you get £4.1M, not the £10M you claim.

From what I see the €1.3B original fund will be larger next season, around €2B perhaps from what I can see - that's a 50% increase near enough. No idea how that affects the figures for next season, but if you assume that 50% increase is flat across all the pay outs then £2.9M turns into £4.35M next season.

Also if this £7.5M figure you've got from somewhere (feel free to clarify) + the prize money for PL positions would be £8.7M not £10m? From what I read you earn £1.2M (last season) more for each position you finish higher in the PL - is that not true? If so, where is your £10M from?

My numbers may be off as I'm basing this off of what can be found online, however unless I'm misreading you're calling me out on being factual yet seemingly are making up numbers (7.5?) & exaggerating (7.5 + 1.2 doesn't = 10) to prove your point - not convinced that's a logical way of going about things.

By my math we'd earn ~£6M more next season, or your math/guesses £10M. A nice addition sure, but guess I see that as fairly small numbers when you consider our spending power & other sources of income.
 
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English clubs will benefit the most with the new Market Pool distribution system and If an english club were to win the champions league in 2015-16 season they will earn around 100 million (around 50m from performance based + around 50m with market pool). This is for last year I believe that next years figures will be higher hence my guesstimate
 
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