The battle for 4th place

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I agree and like you have said so. He basically seems to have got the huff that he is being replaced and it was human nature he would prioritise his CV selling himself to another PL club (as the press say he seems to have turned down a job in South America with City creating our franchise there and wants to manage another PL team such as Everton).

A CL semi final helps sell that as he ticks all the boxes in his 3 years - title, cup, Champs League success up to SF. What mid table PL team would not think that was gold dust).

So in a personal sense you cannot blame him for doing this if he really feels he should be staying on.

What is much less easy to understand is how stupidly the management above him seem to have let this happen when the signs were there for weeks. They appear to have believed in their own omnipotence and that City could not be bad enough to lose top 4.

The look in the eyes of the big two towards the end of the match yesterday was one of someone who has just suddenly woke up weeks late and figured out what we all did long ago. And that is worrying for two men in their position who have presumably promised Pep something very different.

The media today are full of the awful City fans walking out on Pellegrini and yet I have not seen one yet suggest he has done any of the above things. Maybe like our top brass they think it inconceivable as well.

But I genuinely believe this is why many City fans did not say thank you. They distrust the way he has managed the team in recent months to the extent that some are suggesting sabotage. I really do not think it was that. But I do think that his priorities wandered at the expense of our league position and nobody at the club seems to have seen the risks that he was taking.


I think you are doing him a disservice. He doesn't set the priorities, his bosses do. The looks on their faces yesterday were of two men who are coming to realise they have some awkward explaining to do.
 
I think you are doing him a disservice. He doesn't set the priorities, his bosses do. The looks on their faces yesterday were of two men who are coming to realise they have some awkward explaining to do.

I hope you are right because I like Pellegrini and want to think fondly of his successes.

But his recent team selections have been so baffling it is hard to see him having really had some matches fully in his focus because of the Champions League.

If that really was an instruction from up top then they are idiots as rule one is you do not mortgage next season on the back of this one.

That is how you plan your way into obscurity.

Will not happen to City, fortunately. But these men are supposed to be business whizzes. Surely they had to know they needed to protect being in the CL next season irrespective.

If we are not in it all the momentum gained this year evaporates and we are starting over in 2017 - 18.

And it more or less forces us to go for the Europa league next season as it will be double failure if we crash out early given that we are bound to be favourite. Given that the past winner cannot be as they are not in it next season but go to the CL.
 
I hope you are right because I like Pellegrini and want to think fondly of his successes.

But his recent team selections have been so baffling it is hard to see him having really had some matches fully in his focus because of the Champions League.

If that really was an instruction from up top then they are idiots as rule one is you do not mortgage next season on the back of this one.

That is how you plan your way into obscurity.

Will not happen to City, fortunately. But these men are supposed to be business whizzes. Surely they had to know they needed to protect being in the CL next season irrespective.

If we are not in it all the momentum gained this year evaporates and we are starting over in 2017 - 18.

And it more or less forces us to go for the Europa league next season as it will be double failure if we crash out early given that we are bound to be favourite. Given that the past winner cannot be as they are not in it next season but go to the CL.


Well they either set the priorities or they didn't stop Pellegrini seting the priorities himself. In either scenario, they are culpable in my book.
 
Well they either set the priorities or they didn't stop Pellegrini seting the priorities himself. In either scenario, they are culpable in my book.

I agree that they are at least as much to blame. The look on their faces was one of men who just had no clue until that moment that a catastrophe was unfolding - despite it having done so in full view and very slow motion across the past few months.

Perhaps it is a shame that someone like Liverpool did not batter us 8-0. That might have woken them up from their daze early enough to kick someone into taking action a few weeks ago.
 
I agree that they are at least as much to blame. The look on their faces was one of men who just had no clue until that moment that a catastrophe was unfolding - despite it having done so in full view and very slow motion across the past few months.

Perhaps it is a shame that someone like Liverpool did not batter us 8-0. That might have woken them up from their daze early enough to kick someone into taking action a few weeks ago.


Never mind. I have taken action to get them out of this mess. I just hope they appreciate it :)
 
FFP Failure: Leicester Win Title
FFP Victory: City drop out of top four

I think we are all a little jealous that we didn't win a title off of hard work and determination, and truthfully, we needed a little kick to remind us that money doesn't buy everything (although the cynic in me wants to point out the cash injected to Leicester had something to do with their rise as well). It has become evident that our players have not been up for a full season of football for some time now, and that Pellegrini was a lame-duck manager since he started. He served the club well during our financial fair play crisis, and managed to squeeze the last drops of blood from a rock in my opinion. Yes, we could have done better, but that is the past now. Let's just get 3 from the Swans, and hope the hammers and cherries can give us a hand. If not, it's not the end of the world.
 
Well they either set the priorities or they didn't stop Pellegrini seting the priorities himself. In either scenario, they are culpable in my book.
What could they do about Pellegrini setting the priorities at the business end of the season? Once it was clear that he was going to be allowed to continue until the summer regardless of results then really how can they then expect to dictate to him where the priorities lie? Short of fucking him off with a handful of matches remaining, I don't see how they had any remaining leverage to make him bow to their demands. They are culpable in my view for not taking action many months ago when it was pretty clear to anyone with eyes in their fucking heads that we were seriously struggling to get away with the "muddle through with Pellegrini till Pep arrives" plan. We had a huge warning towards the end of last season and got away with it with a late run, I cannot imagine why when the same pattern of shit performances and results started again this season (after the briefly good start) that they didn't take action.
 
martial out along with darmian...i think the rags will take a max of 4out of 6 points...i am more worried weather we can at swansea at all
 
I hope you are right because I like Pellegrini and want to think fondly of his successes.

But his recent team selections have been so baffling it is hard to see him having really had some matches fully in his focus because of the Champions League.

If that really was an instruction from up top then they are idiots as rule one is you do not mortgage next season on the back of this one.

That is how you plan your way into obscurity.

Will not happen to City, fortunately. But these men are supposed to be business whizzes. Surely they had to know they needed to protect being in the CL next season irrespective.

If we are not in it all the momentum gained this year evaporates and we are starting over in 2017 - 18.

And it more or less forces us to go for the Europa league next season as it will be double failure if we crash out early given that we are bound to be favourite. Given that the past winner cannot be as they are not in it next season but go to the CL.

I don't think that Pellegrini has prioritised the CL for selfish reasons.

I suspect he realised in mid season that he had lost his authority with the players and wouldn't be able to get the best out of them week in week out. But hoped he might be able to get them up for a few CL games.
 
What could they do about Pellegrini setting the priorities at the business end of the season? Once it was clear that he was going to be allowed to continue until the summer regardless of results then really how can they then expect to dictate to him where the priorities lie? Short of fucking him off with a handful of matches remaining, I don't see how they had any remaining leverage to make him bow to their demands. They are culpable in my view for not taking action many months ago when it was pretty clear to anyone with eyes in their fucking heads that we were seriously struggling to get away with the "muddle through with Pellegrini till Pep arrives" plan. We had a huge warning towards the end of last season and got away with it with a late run, I cannot imagine why when the same pattern of shit performances and results started again this season (after the briefly good start) that they didn't take action.

You are assuming that there is some sort of conflict between Pellegrini / Begiristain / Soriano. I just don't see that. I imagine they set the priorities together, Khaldoon went along with it and then Pellegrini put the teams out.
 
We don't deserve 4th after our appalling league campaign,MP deserved all he got after the game yesterday, he was lucky anyone was left.
Thanks to this fool he has cost us a CL place and set us back 2 seasons. He should have been fired at Christmas, poor decision making taken by the hierarchy this term.
 
United need to win both. West Ham aren't just going to roll over in the last game ever at Boelyn and if the Hammers do take all 3 points then all we need at Swansea is a draw.

I know it is inconceivable that we are actually in this position but let us wait until tomorrow's result before we really begin to worry. If West Ham take care of business I will feel confident heading into matchday 38.
 
With all the build up to the west ham v rags game , it is looking more like a celebration of the 100 odd years at Upton Park , because when west ham lost to swansea their champs league hopes disappeared , also even if they lose their last two games , west ham will qualify for the europa , so we have a team and supporters with nothing to play for and full of nostalgia against a team that grinds out 1-0 wins and are desperate to put one over their closest rivals , so its not looking good . Although i wouldnt be surprised if Bournemouth piss on their parade on Sunday , the Rags will be under massive pressure , and they have bottled a few recent premier league occasions , if Bournemouth snatch a point , it would be comedy gold
 
With all the build up to the west ham v rags game , it is looking more like a celebration of the 100 odd years at Upton Park , because when west ham lost to swansea their champs league hopes disappeared , also even if they lose their last two games , west ham will qualify for the europa , so we have a team and supporters with nothing to play for and full of nostalgia against a team that grinds out 1-0 wins and are desperate to put one over their closest rivals , so its not looking good . Although i wouldnt be surprised if Bournemouth piss on their parade on Sunday , the Rags will be under massive pressure , and they have bottled a few recent premier league occasions , if Bournemouth snatch a point , it would be comedy gold

But you forget the Hammers hate the Rags
 
United need to win both. West Ham aren't just going to roll over in the last game ever at Boelyn and if the Hammers do take all 3 points then all we need at Swansea is a draw.

I know it is inconceivable that we are actually in this position but let us wait until tomorrow's result before we really begin to worry. If West Ham take care of business I will feel confident heading into matchday 38.

your bang on correct, no way will west ham lie down and take it, the crowd will be buzzing and the players will most certainly be up for it, west ham hate manure as much as we all do, i predict 2-0 to west ham but i would snatch the draw today, if its the later then we have to man up and do the business at Swansea, id be happy going there needing a win from our position today
 
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