The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

[MCFC1993]

Should have gone for the loan scandal with Boris Johnson, the MOTD debacle was just the final nail in the coffin.

 

[bowp]

Ignore the dink he’s spouting out of his racist arse mate.

eg. The BBC doesn’t require staff to have no bias, it just requires staff to have no bias that could affect their output. Such as a political correspondent that was a political activist or a football pundit who was blatantly an out and out supporter of a certain team.
A political correspondent privately supporting a football tea is no conflict of interest and a football pundit pointing out the fact that this governments rhetoric is a carbon copy of the rhetoric of the 1930’s German government, when is actually is, is no conflict of interest in his given tv role either.

His refugee numbers are straight out of the Nigel Farage book of porkies to tell to wind up working class racists into a slavering frenzy.

I bet he slavers ;-)

Straight to racism. Ive lived in a white majority country for 3 years out of the last 14. The vast majority of my friends are not the same race as me, nor is my wife. Being frank i couldnt really care if the UK lets "these asylum seekers" into the UK or not. When I return ill be living in an ivory tower and it wont impact me in the slightest. Personally I find it all funny for the most part. I particularly like the guys ive met in the middle east who moved to the US/ Canada etc as asylum seekers, then as soon as they get citizenship jump on a plane to the UAE etc and get an expat job and then regularly visit the country they had to leave because their life was in danger, but never seem to visit the country that granted them asylum.... seems they just wanted a better passport but hey ho.

 

[barney*]

So he simply meant an out of date version of German then? Come on, it is clear he was talking about the Nazi regime and all that entails.

That's your opinion which you are entitled to, but not sure how you can claim to know what Gary Linaker was "talking about" when he wrote the tweet in the first place.

 

[Centurions]

Read before that viewing figures were up by half a million.

Who were only there to see if they cut to Lineker in the stand, they probably turned it off after their game.

 

[Gray]

Half time at the Chelsea v Ragettes women's game, not a pundit in sight. They are showing highlights of the LC final.

I love the non appearance of pundits, lovely.

 

[domalino]

People are always far too keen to attribute this stuff to some nefarious grand plan.

It’s not, they’re just serially incompetent and it’s always coming home to roost so they go lurching from one crisis to the next.

the country spent 3 weeks with Hancock’s WhatsApp’s dominating the news, the Braverman bill was the major topic for days and this has just brought more focus onto it, the Richard Sharp loan was bubbling away for 3 weeks before Lineker’s suspension brought the BBCs impartiality to the fore.

Cost of living will be back when the budget comes out on Wednesday.


To quote knives out - “it’s so dumb it’s brilliant!” “No it’s just dumb”

 

[Chris B]

Appreciate your responses Chris, but from everything you're saying throughout a number of posts, it seems we're only allowed to compare anything to Nazi Germany when the exact same thing happens. Who determines what similarities we are allowed to mention?

Meanwhile Britain moves gradually further away from having a caring and welcoming society.

At one extreme there is holocaust denial. The trivialisation of the holocaust by pretending it didn’t exist. We’d all see that as grossly offensive.

At the other extreme of the same offence are comments like Lineker’s. He implies the Nazi regime was the same as something in contemporary society that isn’t immensely evil. This is in effect a very mild form of holocaust denial. It implies the holocaust is trivial in the same way it implies the relatively trivial contemporary thing is immensely evil.

I’m not saying this kind of comparison can never be done, but it should be used far more sparingly than it is. Is Lineker’s use of it proportionate to the real world issue? Not in my view and so it is an offensive comparison to make. Others might come to a different conclusion.

In my view he’d have been better to say something like the rhetoric used by the Home Secretary was reminiscent of that used by Thatcher during the miners strikes or something. He didn’t need to trivialise a great human tragedy to make his point.

 

[kaz7]

I dont usually watch but i was curious to see what they were doing last night , recorded it , i expect the extra viewers were doing the same

 

[domalino]

At one extreme there is holocaust denial. The trivialisation of the holocaust by pretending it didn’t exist. We’d all see that as grossly offensive.

At the other extreme of the same offence are comments like Lineker’s. He implies the Nazi regime was the same as something in contemporary society that isn’t immensely evil. This is in effect a very mild form of holocaust denial. It implies the holocaust is trivial in the same way it implies the relatively trivial contemporary thing is immensely evil.

I’m not saying this kind of comparison can never be done, but it should be used far more sparingly than it is. Is Lineker’s use of it proportionate to the real world issue? Not in my view and so it is an offensive comparison to make. Others might come to a different conclusion.

In my view he’d have been better to say something like the rhetoric used by the Home Secretary was reminiscent of that used by Thatcher during the miners strikes or something. He didn’t need to trivialise a great human tragedy to make his point.

So you think that Joan Salter was denying the holocaust that she survived and killed her own parents when she confronted Braverman about her language echoing 30s Germany last month?

That’s your grand theory? Accusing a holocaust survivor of holocaust denial?

 

[denislawsbackheel]

At one extreme there is holocaust denial. The trivialisation of the holocaust by pretending it didn’t exist. We’d all see that as grossly offensive.

At the other extreme of the same offence are comments like Lineker’s. He implies the Nazi regime was the same as something in contemporary society that isn’t immensely evil. This is in effect a very mild form of holocaust denial. It implies the holocaust is trivial in the same way it implies the relatively trivial contemporary thing is immensely evil.

I’m not saying this kind of comparison can never be done, but it should be used far more sparingly than it is. Is Lineker’s use of it proportionate to the real world issue? Not in my view and so it is an offensive comparison to make. Others might come to a different conclusion.

In my view he’d have been better to say something like the rhetoric used by the Home Secretary was reminiscent of that used by Thatcher during the miners strikes or something. He didn’t need to trivialise a great human tragedy to make his point.

He could have said it was like the rhetoric used by the British press and Government in the 30s when boats full of refugees were turned back to Germany…

 

[Chris B]

That's your opinion which you are entitled to, but not sure how you can claim to know what Gary Linaker was "talking about" when he wrote the tweet in the first place.

Because it’s impossible to raise the subject of the Nazis in the 1930s without the spectre of the holocaust and WW2 looming in the background. He wasn’t making a point about coincidental patterns of speech, he was clearly invoking the descent of Germany to the holocaust.

 

[Chris B]

So you think that Joan Salter was denying the holocaust that she survived and killed her own parents when she confronted Braverman about her language echoing 30s Germany last month?

That’s your grand theory? Accusing a holocaust survivor of holocaust denial?

She was speaking about her own life experience. What camp was Gary in?

 

[awest]

Did the cost of City's bench still get mentioned?

 

[Chris B]

He could have said it was like the rhetoric used by the British press and Government in the 30s when boats full of refugees were turned back to Germany…

Probably more valid, and less offensive. Shame he didn’t.

 

[domalino]

She was speaking about her own life experience. What camp was Gary in?

No no no.

You said that comparing this governments policies to 1930s Germany was holocaust denial.

Thats what Joan Salter did. You’ve claimed she’s denying the holocaust.

The comparison doesn’t change its meaning based on who says it. One might be more informed, sure, but the statement cannot be valid from one and holocaust denial when someone agrees with them.

Plus if your argument is that no one but holocaust survivors can speak to 1930s Germany then what the hell are you doing arguing that there’s no comparison - unless you were there?

 

[Blue Mist]

They love the rags even more but reserve the same treatment for Rashford. TAA has been hounded by the same faces that hounded Sterling and Rashford.

Yes, we know City are hated. By certain sections of society, so are black people.

What !!! When has Darling Trent been hounded by the media ? As for Fish Fingers, if you think he's hated because he's black you are the only one.

 

[Citizen Mike]

I think Lineker is perfectly entitled to express his opinions - whatever they are - and I‘m hugely against ”cancellation” of anyone or groupthink by coercion. But the BBC has to walk a tightrope of impartiality (apart from football !) because of its unique cultural position. Gary knew what he doing and that he was putting the BBC in an impossible position.
It matters not that he was “freelance”, if I employed an expensive leading consultant on a project who was then briefing against or publicly criticising it he’d be off the job in an instant. Words have consequences.
By Invoking Nazi Germany in his original statement and then gleefully doubling down in the following days, left the BBC little choice in the matter: it was a direct challenge - him basically squaring up to them.
I think there’s no way back for him but he’s a very wealthy man so no problem, but I’m sure the BBC will find a way over the coming week to move forward with putting shit punditry back on our screens.

I would have more respect for champagne socialists if they paid the same proportion of tax as those that are PAYE>

 

[Impeccable One]

I know the producers of MOTD were stuck between a rock and a hard place but you’d think they’d have tried something innovative to try and save face.

Ears, Shearer and Wright will have been watching that last night thinking ‘they need us!’

I know there would be a licensing issue, but replacing with spitting image puppets would have been entertaining … we do need a Micah puppet [emoji23]

 

[barney*]

Because it’s impossible to raise the subject of the Nazis in the 1930s without the spectre of the holocaust and WW2 looming in the background. He wasn’t making a point about coincidental patterns of speech, he was clearly invoking the descent of Germany to the holocaust.

Again that's your opinion.. you are trying to turn your opinion of Gary Linaker's tweet into a fact!

 

[Stoned Rose]

Thought it was shit in it’s “silent” format.

There’s no way it won’t return to it’s normal presentation. It’s the perfect opportunity for delivering subliminal messages.