The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
Just shows how much padding there is normally.
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Every fuckin' prgramme would be no more than 15 mins if the padding were removed. BBC news starts with the billing, then it gets onto the stories, then, halfway through they remind us of what we've just seen, and half an hour later we get a summary of what we've just seen twice.

Most monotonous and repetitive programme is Bridge of LIes. I like the idea of the programme but, jeez, the repetition is mind-numbing, I said, the repetition is mind-numbing.
 
Palerider said:
If that is so then I am fully with you. Why do Labour not just suggest that rather than going after criminal gangs?
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I think-they have suggested more than that, the new deal with the EU is the main thing in my view as it’s a cross euopean problem that needs cross european solutions and co-operation. Thats where the government have difficulties with their own hardcore back benchers.

“Labour’s plan to tackle the small boats is centred around greater enforcement of the people smuggling gangs in Europe, more staff to clear the asylum backlog and a new deal with EU countries on returns.”

www.telegraph.co.uk

Yvette Cooper: ‘A Labour government will aim to stop all small boat crossings’

On the Chopper’s Politics podcast, the shadow home secretary outlines her party’s ambitions to tackle the Channel migrant crisis
www.telegraph.co.uk www.telegraph.co.uk
 
Palerider said:
If that is so then I am fully with you. Why do Labour not just suggest that rather than going after criminal gangs?
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They are suggesting both as both is the sensible thing to do , it is going to needed to do more than one thing to solve it , the tories dont have the will to do it
 
kaz7 said:
Why the worst part ? He highlighted the language being used is the same as germany in the thirties ,it is true and the start of a very slippery slope
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Sorry that didn’t come very right by me. I saw headlines of the daily mail criticising BBC for their action. The fucking daily mail.

I agree with dehumanising but still think too often people refer to Nazis. My point was we’ve dehumanised all through our history, the British did it to excuse the deaths of the poor Irish in the great famine. I think that’s closer to this, when policy & selfishness leads to deaths.

We are a long way off a Nazi dictatorship.
 
cheekybids said:
I suppose it’s how you view the context, I see it as shock tactic & comparing with Nazi therefore “you nazi’s”. As you rightly describe the key part of the curriculum described the propaganda but equally it concentrated on the death camps. Icertainly wouldn’t cancel him but I’d say you’ve gone a bit far there.

I would say dehumanising has been used throughout history particularly by our empire. Let’s hope that the main issue of migrant welfare improves then I’ll be the first to say the shock tactic worked.
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cheekybids said:
I suppose it’s how you view the context, I see it as shock tactic & comparing with Nazi therefore “you nazi’s”. As you rightly describe the key part of the curriculum described the propaganda but equally it concentrated on the death camps. Icertainly wouldn’t cancel him but I’d say you’ve gone a bit far there.

I would say dehumanising has been used throughout history particularly by our empire. Let’s hope that the main issue of migrant welfare improves then I’ll be the first to say the shock tactic worked.
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I agree but ultimately it is the best known example of it and it resonates with people because the actions that followed were so horrific.

It doesn’t mean that’s going to happen, it is an example of what might do when that behaviour is taken to the extreme.
 
blueparrot said:
I think-they have suggested more than that, the new deal with the EU is the main thing in my view as it’s a cross euopean problem that needs cross european solutions and co-operation. Thats where the government have difficulties with their own hardcore back benchers.

“Labour’s plan to tackle the small boats is centred around greater enforcement of the people smuggling gangs in Europe, more staff to clear the asylum backlog and a new deal with EU countries on returns.”
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I like it! but I just cannot believe it is that simple to solve.
 
blueparrot said:
Thats nonsense we know exactly how to separate genuine from none genuine, we and other countries have been doing it for years, other countries still are. This government decided to dismantle the system, and the system for returning unsuccessful claims and are now overwhelmed with the backlog they created. They won’t go back to the system we had or one that would work for purely ideological reasons.
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Do you think it is ideological? For some I'm sure it is, but overall as a party, not so sure. Imo it is more self-preservation political shithousery, in the lead-up to an election.

The Workington man still hasn't got his closed-down factory job the back despite voting Brexit and the Tories to deliver it, so drum up the narrative of being tough on immigration, the real problem. And cast a net wide enough to reach where misplaced anger matters more than policies, nhs, the economy etc. The odd moan about woke cancellation of our values while at it and all.

And it will bloody work too.
 
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blueparrot said:
I think-they have suggested more than that, the new deal with the EU is the main thing in my view as it’s a cross euopean problem that needs cross european solutions and co-operation. Thats where the government have difficulties with their own hardcore back benchers.
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Just for a little context in that regard, in the first two months of this year, 28,000 people arrived in Italy, double the figure that had arrived in those months in 2022. Last Wednesday alone, 3,000 people landed on Lampedusa.
 
Palerider said:
An idea!!!! So playing devils advocate with this, I'm an asylum seeker, I travel to one of the major European countries but my preference is the UK. Why do I not just go to the British Embassy? Are you saying that currently the British Embassies don't do vetting?
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Embassies have no ability to lodge asylum cases, asylum has to be lodged in the country you're physically in but how do you physically do that if you can't get to the UK?

If you're a refugee in France then you can't walk into the UK without swimming and you can't fly or get on a boat legally. The reason why you can't is because you need a visa to travel and for example with a tourist visa you'd have to lie about your reasons for travel. By claiming asylum and lying you break the conditions of the tourist visa which is a crime.

If we had a visa which specifically allowed for people to travel to come over and apply for asylum then the boats would stop but something like this is politically impossible for the Tories and maybe even Labour. Most cases in the EU are lodged because refugees have literally walked into their countries but the Channel exists between them and the UK.

The government has taken advantage of that and made it essentially impossible or extremely difficult to lodge legitimate cases legally. Our policy is we accept asylum cases as per our obligations but you must come here first, however, there is no legal method to get you here... The consequence to that is people take illegal methods and the stupidity of it is most of those cases are actually approved.
 
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Coatigan said:
Do you think it is ideological? For some I'm sure it is, but overall as a party, not so sure. Imo it is more self-preservation political shithousery, in the lead-up to an election.

The Workington man still hasn't got his closed-down facroty job the back despite voting Brexit and the Tories to deliver it, so drum up the narrative of being tough on immigration, the real problem. And cast a net wide enough to reach misplaced anger matters more than policies, nhs, the economy etc. The odd moan about woke cancellation of our values while at it and all.

And it will bloody work too.
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Probably right, whatever reasons theyare though they aren’t practical or pragmatic ones.
 
Palerider said:
I like it! but I just cannot believe it is that simple to solve.
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I’m sure it isn’t that simple with the numbers entering europe increasing. However until we work together with Europe then they will come and as long as the government refuse to engage with the EU on it there will be boats crossing.
So while not simple at least Labour understand that working with the EU is essential as a start . Even if initially it’s only some kind of reception facility in Calais.
 
Palerider said:
An idea!!!! So playing devils advocate with this, I'm an asylum seeker, I travel to one of the major European countries but my preference is the UK. Why do I not just go to the British Embassy? Are you saying that currently the British Embassies don't do vetting?
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Here is the nub of the problem.
People posting without the faintest idea of the problems.

For information the answer is no.
They never have.
 
blueparrot said:
I’m sure it isn’t that simple with the numbers entering europe increasing. However until we work together with Europe then they will come and as long as the government refuse to engage with the EU on it there will be boats crossing.
So while not simple at least Labour understand that working with the EU is essential as a start . Even if initially it’s only some kind of reception facility in Calais.
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I've just done search on France and illegal immigration and found this article
www.rfi.fr

France looks to crack down on illegal immigration with new law

French President Emmanuel Macron is set to make a second attempt at increasing expulsions of illegal immigrants under fierce pressure from his far-right opponents.
www.rfi.fr www.rfi.fr

Now, from reading that they are having the exact same problems as we have?
 
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