The BBC | Tim Davie resigns as Director General over Trump documentary edit (p 187)

The Future’s Blue! said:
Fuck Trump, and all those that want the death of the BBC. I used to watch the paper round-up on Sky, but gave it up a long time ago during their last attack, which was just as immense on the likes of GB Influencers, as it was in the Mail.

The BBC may not get it right all of the time, but it does for the most of the time.

Fuck Trump!
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Trump is a ****, I don't think that's even up for debate. Like it or not, he's was, and is the president of our closest ally, and it's not the job of the BBC to stitch him up.

He's a compulsive liar, you don't need to make things up to make him look like a ****. What the BBC have done though is lose the moral high ground, and that's unforgivable.
 
The Stockport Iniesta said:
Trump is a ****, I don't think that's even up for debate. Like it or not, he's was, and is the president of our closest ally, and it's not the job of the BBC to stitch him up.

He's a compulsive liar, you don't need to make things up to make him look like a ****. What the BBC have done though is lose the moral high ground, and that's unforgivable.
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Totally right. There’s plenty of ammunition on Trump without dishonesty and deceit. If it gets to Court he will surely win and the damages will be eye-watering. The BBC need to negotiate a settlement, learn their lesson, put their house in order and move on. Essentially we’ve had the UK State Broadcaster using deceit to seek to affect the result of the US Presidential Election. I’m not a fan of the BBC News and Current Affairs output but would like to see it fixed (ie separate opinion and activism from News) and improved.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
Totally right. There’s plenty of ammunition on Trump without dishonesty and deceit. If it gets to Court he will surely win and the damages will be eye-watering. The BBC need to negotiate a settlement, learn their lesson, put their house in order and move on.
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He will win fuck all in damages and the BBC should tell the **** to fuck off.

If the BBC pays a penny in an effort to settle this it is finished.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
As I said yesterday, any such claim by Trump is fatally flawed imo.
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Saw something yesterday and you may be able to confirm/deny?

First Trump would not be able to take action in the UK as it is "out of time" having been aired more than 12montsh ago.
In the US (Florida presumably) it would be "in time" but then he would have to prove that the courts had jurisdiction over something broadcast on the BBC.
That would be down to the reach of the BBC in Florida. How many people actually viewed the offending report and whether it that number was high enough to be considered to have hurt him.

Then I started to wonder whether he (or Melania) has threatened to sue any Russian (or other foreign media) outlets for some of the stuff they have published about him/them. The answer is probably not, but then he wasn't trying to deflect!
 
LGWIO said:
Saw something yesterday and you may be able to confirm/deny?

First Trump would not be able to take action in the UK as it is "out of time" having been aired more than 12montsh ago.
In the US (Florida presumably) it would be "in time" but then he would have to prove that the courts had jurisdiction over something broadcast on the BBC.
That would be down to the reach of the BBC in Florida. How many people actually viewed the offending report and whether it that number was high enough to be considered to have hurt him.

Then I started to wonder whether he (or Melania) has threatened to sue any Russian (or other foreign media) outlets for some of the stuff they have published about him/them. The answer is probably not, but then he wasn't trying to deflect!
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If he wanted Trump could sue the BBC anywhere in the world where the clip was used though not areas where it was out of time. Very unlikely. The fact that a second clip was shown on Newsnight must make the BBC a bit nervous. Suggestions being pushed out that what happened was “a mistake” are absurd. It was clear and obvious fabrication of a quote ie fake news. How many other such occasions has this happened ?
 
LGWIO said:
Saw something yesterday and you may be able to confirm/deny?

First Trump would not be able to take action in the UK as it is "out of time" having been aired more than 12montsh ago.
In the US (Florida presumably) it would be "in time" but then he would have to prove that the courts had jurisdiction over something broadcast on the BBC.
That would be down to the reach of the BBC in Florida. How many people actually viewed the offending report and whether it that number was high enough to be considered to have hurt him.

Then I started to wonder whether he (or Melania) has threatened to sue any Russian (or other foreign media) outlets for some of the stuff they have published about him/them. The answer is probably not, but then he wasn't trying to deflect!
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Correct on the limitation periods. The jurisdiction point isn’t quite correct but his biggest hurdle is demonstrating loss of reputation, especially given he won the election. The fact it wasn’t available in Florida, either live or via iPlayer plays into that.

It’s an utterly hopeless claim.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
Totally right. There’s plenty of ammunition on Trump without dishonesty and deceit. If it gets to Court he will surely win and the damages will be eye-watering. The BBC need to negotiate a settlement, learn their lesson, put their house in order and move on. Essentially we’ve had the UK State Broadcaster using deceit to seek to affect the result of the US Presidential Election. I’m not a fan of the BBC News and Current Affairs output but would like to see it fixed (ie separate opinion and activism from News) and improved.
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Funny
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
He will win fuck all in damages and the BBC should tell the **** to fuck off.

If the BBC pays a penny in an effort to settle this it is finished.
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In that case I suspect they’re finished then GDM. We don’t know for sure, but I think they’ll settle. Hundreds of thousands of US voters in the UK could’ve seen/been influenced by that broadcast, one week before the election. I’m just struggling to understand why they did it. So unnecessary.
 
Rory Bluelow said:
In that case I suspect they’re finished then GDM. We don’t know for sure, but I think they’ll settle. Hundreds of thousands of US voters in the UK could’ve seen/been influenced by that broadcast, one week before the election. I’m just struggling to understand why they did it. So unnecessary.
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It was unnecessary, a serious mistake and worthy of an apology, but not a claim for defamation.

The argument that anyone’s vote was influenced in any way by that editing isn’t sustainable. And he won the election, so what’s the loss he sustained?
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
It was unnecessary, a serious mistake and worthy of an apology, but not a claim for defamation.

The argument that anyone’s vote was influenced in any way by that editing isn’t sustainable. And he won the election, so what’s the loss he sustained?
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Ego?

He knew fuck all about it until GBeebies told his press secretary so they'd get favourable treatment in the pr(c)ess pool.
 
It's amazing to me that the focus of this thread seems to be on the target of the fake news rather than the fact that the BBC is engaging in fake news, and the likely political motivation.

Forget Trump, this is an absolutely disgraceful breach of the duty of impartiality, a major blow to the credibility of the BBC and totally unacceptable from a publicly funded organisation.

No ifs, no buts, no grey areas.

Seems clear to me that there are those working within the BBC who are focused on desired outcomes, and not on the core mission of delivering the news in an even handed manner.

This is not sustainable in the long term, sooner or later we will have a right of centre government in this country again, and the BBC is becoming increasingly unpopular on the right.

This is a very dangerous position for the BBC to be in, needs sorting asap.
 
Hgblue2 said:
It's amazing to me that the focus of this thread seems to be on the target of the fake news rather than the fact that the BBC is engaging in fake news, and the likely political motivation.
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The focus is on Trump because he has threatened a claim for damages for a billion dollars when any balanced, measured and sane politician would have accepted the apology and moved on.

The notion of the leader of a country acting in this way towards a broadcaster is the headline here, not the mistake which has been corrected and apologised for.

Do you think how Trump has responded to this is proportionate?
 
This wasn't a mistake, this was a piece of deceptive editing, done purposefully in order to paint Trump in the worse possible light, because the BBC has become political.

So yes, Trump has every right to sue. Probably would be a good thing if the BBC suffers a financial cost in order to prevent this type of thing happening again.

My focus is on the real story here, that our publicly funded state broadcaster has become political.
 
Hgblue2 said:
This wasn't a mistake, this was a piece of deceptive editing, done purposefully in order to paint Trump in the worse possible light, because the BBC has become political.

So yes, Trump has every right to sue. Probably would be a good thing if the BBC suffers a financial cost in order to prevent this type of thing happening again.

My focus is on the real story here, that our publicly funded state broadcaster has become political.
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The biggest fluff is that the BBC didn't need to make such a stupid error to paint Trump in a negative light. There's more than enough footage of him being a shit stain on humanity without the need of editing something together.

It's like editing a video of Darth Vader to make him look bad - nobody needs to do that!

Unfortunately it gives them an out to say 'hey, I didn't actually say that. They're twisting things.'
 
Bazzmand Show said:
Anyone on the side of Trump and wants the BBC broken up needs to take a fucking look in the mirror.
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It’s not about Trump.You can dislike Trump and the BBC at the same time. The BBC has been biased for years. How many other quotes have they fabricated. Their coverage of City has been totally distorted and dishonest. I would keep it for drama and news but couldn’t care less if it was broken up and the licence fee scrapped. The BBC is patronising and arrogant.
 
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