The Biggest Problem With This Team Is Motivation

[IH8MUFC]

Disagree completely.
I didn't see a lack of effort or motivation tonight. Nasri for example spent the first half on our side of the pitch working his absolute socks off; trouble is, it was to no avail cos he was chasing shadows.
Manager at fault tonight in that, as Gleghorn said, we were set up a man short in midfield which was painfully obvious, from the point their keeper played the ball out from the back - and a clever and bold manager - like Jose M for example - wouldn't have waited 70 mins till 0-3 down to change, he would have done it in the first half.

However, were up against what IMHO are the worlds best team at the moment, let's get it in proportion.

In this group we need to out-do Moscow in the b2b games.

exactly this, anybody who has ever played football and been outplayed knows that there was no lack of effort just a vastly superior team. its like saying fighters don't try to beat floyd mayweather or 100 metre sprinters don't try against bolt. sometimes teams are just better.

 

[mancity1]

Too many high paid players with no respect, desire or feeling for the club. They don't really care, that's the impression I get when I watch them. I feel sorry for the owners.

That sentiment was certainly on display tonight.

The blame game is manager's stubborness not to change vis vis players not putting in a shift to at least make more of a contest of the game as if never the twain shall meet.

Notwithstanding Bayern being far more committed to playing the game that exposes our frailties no matter how we set up the reason is a combination of all these things plus a bit more.

If the set up was so poor and the players knew it why didn't they communicate with each other and do something constructive about it.

It may be left field but any AFL coach will tell you his leadership group on the park when required will take it upon themselves to rectify things if necessary.

We embarrassed ourselves and our global brand tonight but hopefully it won't set us back too much too soon.

 

[Marvin]

Too many high paid players with no respect, desire or feeling for the club. They don't really care, that's the impression I get when I watch them. I feel sorry for the owners.

That sentiment was certainly on display tonight.

The blame game is manager's stubborness not to change vis vis players not putting in a shift to at least make more of a contest of the game as if never the twain shall meet.

Notwithstanding Bayern being far more committed to playing the game that exposes our frailties no matter how we set up the reason is a combination of all these things plus a bit more.

If the set up was so poor and the players knew it why didn't they communicate with each other and do something constructive about it.

It may be left field but any AFL coach will tell you his leadership group on the park when required will take it upon themselves to rectify things if necessary.

We embarrassed ourselves and our global brand tonight but hopefully it won't set us back too much too soon.

It's not motivation, with maybe the exception of Dzeko, it's self-belief at this level.

We came out at the start of the 2n half on fire, and then conceded again. Every time we had a setback in the game we just sank to our knees

 

[mancity1]

Too many high paid players with no respect, desire or feeling for the club. They don't really care, that's the impression I get when I watch them. I feel sorry for the owners.

That sentiment was certainly on display tonight.

The blame game is manager's stubborness not to change vis vis players not putting in a shift to at least make more of a contest of the game as if never the twain shall meet.

Notwithstanding Bayern being far more committed to playing the game that exposes our frailties no matter how we set up the reason is a combination of all these things plus a bit more.

If the set up was so poor and the players knew it why didn't they communicate with each other and do something constructive about it.

It may be left field but any AFL coach will tell you his leadership group on the park when required will take it upon themselves to rectify things if necessary.

We embarrassed ourselves and our global brand tonight but hopefully it won't set us back too much too soon.

It's not motivation, with maybe the exception of Dzeko, it's self-belief at this level.

We came out at the start of the 2n half on fire, and then conceded again. Every time we had a setback in the game we just sank to our knees

It's both Marvin.

You have to motivate yourself to compete at every contest for every second of the game even when your legs are telling you otherwise and motivate the team through leadership on and off the field to due yourself and your club proud on these occasions.

We did neither well last night , the players and the management let us down badly.

They know it but we are easily forgiving of them if they respond as they should against Everton.

 

[Skashion]

Generally, I agree with you that motivation is a big problem, I also believe that the manager can also take so much of the blame and the players have to take some responsibility for themselves. However, not last night. Last night our problems were tactical. Pellegrini has never beat Guardiola and it's not hard to fathom why.

 

[Blue Til Death]

I've had this sneaking suspicion since the latter days of Mancini's reign, but the biggest problem with this team is our players' motivation and desire. Except for four select games we have played well this year, the games we have lost were clearly the result of players just simply not being up for it. The energy effort for 80 minutes tonight against Bayern was absolutely pathetic. No one moving into passing lanes, no one closing down. It doesn't matter who coaches this team, the players are the problem and until we get an attitude change from the majority of this team, we will win nothing this season. End of.

My thoughts exactly

 

[jellert]

The players are not giving it all.. They just want to win a game at 60% which is never enough against any team.

And what was Dzeko doing yesterday... Was he thinking he was playing for Bayern?? What a bad performance

 

[Anonymous]

I see the luddites are still banging the grit and determination drum ...

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I see the luddites are still banging the grit and determination drum ...

Sorry Billy, but unless you're a complete genius relative to others in your field, you don't achieve fuck all in this world without hard graft and determination.

 

[Anonymous]

I see the luddites are still banging the grit and determination drum ...

Sorry Billy, but unless you're a complete genius you don't achieve fuck all in this world without hard graft and determination.

Do you think the players didn't work hard enough last night ?

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

I see the luddites are still banging the grit and determination drum ...

Sorry Billy, but unless you're a complete genius you don't achieve fuck all in this world without hard graft and determination.

Do you think the players didn't work hard enough last night ?

No I didn't think that at all.

My point is that to extol the virtues of graft and determination is hardly the preserve of a luddite.

 

[Anonymous]

My point is that to extol the virtues of graft and determination is hardly the preserve of a luddite.

I'm talking specifically about last night and an inability from people to see the difference between a group of players who simply are being out played and a group of players who aren't working hard enough.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Half our team were shot to pieces within half an hour, such was the amount of running they were forced to do.

Aguero and Nasri, in particular.

It's a valid point, though.

We can count on one hand the amount of times City have stepped up to the plate in must-win games.

I was disappointed, once again, to see of all people, Vinny, go hiding and lacking that bit of leadership when it was really required.

Same goes for Yaya, who at one stage, seemed to be having a go at a team-mate, whilst he was sat on his arse.

 

[KennyG]

Few heads dropped from the so called leaders. They were rightfully praised against united but went hiding last night. Makes Pellegrini's rotation that sacrificed premier league points, look futile

 

[TGR]

Sorry Billy, but unless you're a complete genius you don't achieve fuck all in this world without hard graft and determination.

Do you think the players didn't work hard enough last night ?

No I didn't think that at all.

My point is that to extol the virtues of graft and determination is hardly the preserve of a luddite.

GDM you are correct yet again.

The calculation is extremely simple:

E x A =P
Transposed this reads:
Effort x Ability = Performance.

The amount of natural ability or talent a person has in any walk of life is irrelevant without total hard work and dedication.
I recommend the book 'Outliers' by Malcolm Gladwin for further reading.

 

[moomba]

I see the luddites are still banging the grit and determination drum ...

Sorry Billy, but unless you're a complete genius you don't achieve fuck all in this world without hard graft and determination.

Do you think the players didn't work hard enough last night ?

I would love to see the stats on distance covered during the match. Obviously easier when you have the ball but time and time again I saw 3/4/5 BM stream forward to join an attack while ours sauntered back. Then when we had the ball I saw 3/4/5 BM stream back to help out while we waited for a bit of support to arrive.

It was so obvious to me at the time I wondered if they were on something they were so physically superior. I even counted players 20 minutes in to make sure it actually was 11 v 11.

Stats might prove me wrong but I'd be surprised.

 

[mancity1]

Half our team were shot to pieces within half an hour, such was the amount of running they were forced to do.

Aguero and Nasri, in particular.

It's a valid point, though.

We can count on one hand the amount of times City have stepped up to the plate in must-win games.

I was disappointed, once again, to see of all people, Vinny, go hiding and lacking that bit of leadership when it was really required.

Same goes for Yaya, who at one stage, seemed to be having a go at a team-mate, whilst he was sat on his arse.

We didn't play very smart did we.

Parking the bus instead of chasing shadows would have saved us a few joules and not added to their goal tally either.

In saying that you will find the distance covered over the course of the game from our sprinters with little stamina was not much more than a normal premiership game.