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Froch would probably get more money from a Groves rematch on Sky PPV rather than Andre Ward or Stevenson both of whom aren't big ticket sellers and certainly wouldn't be big draws for Froch's supposed last hurrah on the Vegas strip. Ward struggles to sell tickets outside of Oakland and Stevenson with his past polarises opinion and neither of these fighter have fought as the headliner on a PPV, the addition of Froch is hardly likely to make it PPV as outside of hardcore fans in the US and UK boxing fans, he isnt a big name.
 
oman0115 said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
oman0115 said:
aAnyone see Buncey's boxing hour the other day? Groves was saying Froch is avoiding him, but Froch is perusing Stevenson & Ward. Sorry George but if that's true that is hardly avoiding you and I do fee Groves got a raw deal. I don't want to see Froch in either, Stevenson ends brutally for him, and Ward is a one sided beat down. Anyone else think Froch should just retire, it reminds me of the Lennox Lewis situation post Klitchko. He's proved himself, but the young sharks are circling and it's a matter of time for him.
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Im not sure how same age as Froch Stevenson who has beaten a bunch of not very good to decent fighters is a young shark circling him. Also I cant remember Ward beating down Froch in there first fight although Ward is better than Froch, just too silky for Froch's style
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Well if you can't remember Froch being beaten down by Ward you didn't watch the fight, he may not have knocked him down like Groves but he stood in front of him for 12 rounds winning virtually everyone of them. That to me is a beat down, don't know what your definition of one is. Sharks ( Plural ) doesn't mean Stevenson specifically, I'm referring to Groves, DeGale, maybe GGG if he were to step up and fight Froch. He showed significant signs of aging against Groves, I don't think his style of fighting is healthy if his reflexes are gone. Can see why he wants a Vegas payday though...
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No I did watch the fight. All 12 rounds and had Ward as the winner, clear as day. I had it by around 6 rounds, 2 judges had it by 2 and 1 by 8.
For me Froch would beat Stevenson. The punches he took off Groves without being rocked would KO anyone else, groves he beat al be it in weird circumstances, De Gale doesn't even deserve to be on a Froch undercard these days. As for GGG that would be worth seeing but I don't think he could take the shots. Froch may be slowing but as long as he can take shots the way he can he will beat good fighters, saying that for his own health he doesn't need to be fighting to long if he is getting hit in the head a lot


We have all seen Rocky we know what happens ;)
 
Lost Pilot said:
Froch would probably get more money from a Groves rematch on Sky PPV rather than Andre Ward or Stevenson both of whom aren't big ticket sellers and certainly wouldn't be big draws for Froch's supposed last hurrah on the Vegas strip. Ward struggles to sell tickets outside of Oakland and Stevenson with his past polarises opinion and neither of these fighter have fought as the headliner on a PPV, the addition of Froch is hardly likely to make it PPV as outside of hardcore fans in the US and UK boxing fans, he isnt a big name.
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I think Stevenson's fight pulled really good numbers over the weekend. I think with the right marketing that fight would sell. I want to see Stevenson v Kovalev though, but he doesn't seem keen!<br /><br />-- Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:05 pm --<br /><br />
BoyBlue_1985 said:
oman0115 said:
BoyBlue_1985 said:
Im not sure how same age as Froch Stevenson who has beaten a bunch of not very good to decent fighters is a young shark circling him. Also I cant remember Ward beating down Froch in there first fight although Ward is better than Froch, just too silky for Froch's style
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Well if you can't remember Froch being beaten down by Ward you didn't watch the fight, he may not have knocked him down like Groves but he stood in front of him for 12 rounds winning virtually everyone of them. That to me is a beat down, don't know what your definition of one is. Sharks ( Plural ) doesn't mean Stevenson specifically, I'm referring to Groves, DeGale, maybe GGG if he were to step up and fight Froch. He showed significant signs of aging against Groves, I don't think his style of fighting is healthy if his reflexes are gone. Can see why he wants a Vegas payday though...
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No I did watch the fight. All 12 rounds and had Ward as the winner, clear as day. I had it by around 6 rounds, 2 judges had it by 2 and 1 by 8.
For me Froch would beat Stevenson. The punches he took off Groves without being rocked would KO anyone else, groves he beat al be it in weird circumstances, De Gale doesn't even deserve to be on a Froch undercard these days. As for GGG that would be worth seeing but I don't think he could take the shots. Froch may be slowing but as long as he can take shots the way he can he will beat good fighters, saying that for his own health he doesn't need to be fighting to long if he is getting hit in the head a lot


We have all seen Rocky we know what happens ;)
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I thought Froch was rocked quite a few times. The fact he said post fight ''I forgot about that'' when Hearn said he'd never seen Froch down like that before just shows how tough he is. I think at his age, and the fact Stevenson showed he can box a bit he'd be a sitting duck.
 
Put a good standard card on with good fights and it sells.
Like the US bill sky are showing this weekend. Rigondeaux wouldnt be a huge ticket seller but they have 2 good support fights in the Glen Tapia v James Kirkland fight which looks good. Tapia unbeaten so far looks good his first real major test against a banger in Kirkland. Also on the bill Macklin v Lamar Russ another unbeaten fighter in there first real test. There will be people buying into this PPV.
 
Sad to read that South African flyweight "Baby Jake" Matlala has died of pneumonia.

He was a WBO Champ in the nineties and fought here a few times IIRC.

Tough bugger and only 4' 10".

RIP Jacob.
 
Well it seems this weekend was a good 1. A shame for Darren Barker and his hip going on him. A shit way to lose the title. On injury more so than defeat. I think for Barker if he returns for teh fight in the summer it might be he swan song and try and win back the title. Glad he made some bigish money from the fight too been through a lot of stuff in and out of the ring.

Also the fights in the US and the Macklin looked ok in winning his fight and the Kirkland and Tapia fight was a good 1 but Kirkland too strong. As for Rigondeaux class act too good stupid Yank fans leaving before this legend boxes I will never understand.
 
Kirkland Tapia was a brutal old style fight - fantastic viewing.

Barker made all the right noises before the fight and sure he was unlucky his hip went but I don't put him at Sturm's level anyhow. Nobody who knows his story could fail to warm to the lad but the Geale fight was a once in a lifetime effort from him and even with a clean bill of health he'll never reproduce that night.

Macklin's on the decline but domestic dust ups with Lee and Murray next year should earn him a nice nest egg for retirement.
 
Santiago Street . said:
Kirkland Tapia was a brutal old style fight - fantastic viewing.

Barker made all the right noises before the fight and sure he was unlucky his hip went but I don't put him at Sturm's level anyhow. Nobody who knows his story could fail to warm to the lad but the Geale fight was a once in a lifetime effort from him and even with a clean bill of health he'll never reproduce that night.

Macklin's on the decline but domestic dust ups with Lee and Murray next year should earn him a nice nest egg for retirement.
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Darren Barker reminded me of Bute in Nottingham on Saturday, the occasion was way too much for him. Out of him, Macklin, Lee & Murray only Murray has World Title class imo. All four of them should cash in on the hype Sky has been trying to build for over a year now!
 
I don't think I've ever seen a fighter embarrass himself like that. Just because you act like Floyd doesn't mean you can fight like him and Broner found out in a big way.
 
That was hilarious, I had Maidana up by five. Thought the scorecards were spot on for the most part, I feared the worst after the Ponce DeLeon fight. Another hype job found out. Keith Thurman looks the real deal after last night and in his last couple of fights.
 
i love my boxing but i will always shout for refs to jump in or a bout to be stopped if looking like lost cause but have to admit i liked watching Broner getting whacked with all his open mouthed gum chewing, arse kissing mates combing his hair, previous flushing money down the toilet antics. yep have to admit i enjoyed that :)
 
conormcfc said:
Also, Khan's stock is rising again. His win over Maidana is looking more and more impressive as time goes on. Malignaggi having success recently as well.

Khan has a few fights there. A Garcia rematch would probably be his preference, aside from a Mayweather fight.
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That Maidana is a lot better than the one Khan hung on too for 3 rounds. Robert Garcia has taught him how to box and he, Garcia & Mayweather all do a job on Khan.

That was so sweet to watch though, seeing Broner run out of the ring all alone, fantastic!
 
oman0115 said:
conormcfc said:
Also, Khan's stock is rising again. His win over Maidana is looking more and more impressive as time goes on. Malignaggi having success recently as well.

Khan has a few fights there. A Garcia rematch would probably be his preference, aside from a Mayweather fight.
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That Maidana is a lot better than the one Khan hung on too for 3 rounds. Robert Garcia has taught him how to box and he, Garcia & Mayweather all do a job on Khan.

That was so sweet to watch though, seeing Broner run out of the ring all alone, fantastic!
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I don't think Maidana has changed much, Khan just utilized his huge speed advantage and boxed well that night. Maidana was lucky to get out of the first round.

Khan has regressed in these last 2 years though, not sure if his punch resistance would hold out again.
 
conormcfc said:
oman0115 said:
conormcfc said:
Also, Khan's stock is rising again. His win over Maidana is looking more and more impressive as time goes on. Malignaggi having success recently as well.

Khan has a few fights there. A Garcia rematch would probably be his preference, aside from a Mayweather fight.
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That Maidana is a lot better than the one Khan hung on too for 3 rounds. Robert Garcia has taught him how to box and he, Garcia & Mayweather all do a job on Khan.

That was so sweet to watch though, seeing Broner run out of the ring all alone, fantastic!
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I don't think Maidana has changed much, Khan just utilized his huge speed advantage and boxed well that night. Maidana was lucky to get out of the first round.

Khan has regressed in these last 2 years though, not sure if his punch resistance would hold out again.
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His body work has improved a hell of a lot, and the knockdown punch in the second wasn't in his locker before. I don't think Maidana will ever be a great finisher when he has a man down buy he showed more composure than he did against Khan. I agree that Khan has gone backwards, he'd get clipped at some stage. If Broner is staying at 147 a fight for him with Khan would actually make sense, I reckon I'd cheer for Khan for once!
 
Khans wins against Maidana, stopping Paulie and Zab (especially after his later showing against Garcia) were all top notch, as well as the fact that he was bossing Garcia up until he got caught then got stupid. Unfortunately he just doesn't fight enough, he should have taken that Alexander fight which he was capable of winning, instead now he is still chasing a payday from Floyd and Kell Brook is the mandatory for a belt that could of been his. He does make some stupid mistakes in and out of the ring but listening to his commentary on The Paulie V Zab Showtime card the other week, he's definitely not the brightest button.
 
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